Iran admits that it is governing out of the 7th Century

I firmly believe that military force should be the last option in dealing with Iran. But I also believe that, whether we talk with the Iranians, enact embargoes against the Iranians, threaten the Iranians, or whatever else the heck we decide to do vis a vis the Iranians (including an Osirak or Syria approach), we ought to understand that we’re dealing with 7th Century people who are on the verge of possessing 21st Century WMDs:

Homosexuals deserve to be executed or tortured and possibly both, an Iranian leader told British MPs during a private meeting at a peace conference, The Times has learned.

Mohsen Yahyavi is the highest-ranked politician to admit that Iran believes in the death penalty for homosexuality after a spate of reports that gay youths were being hanged.


The latest row involves a woman hanged this June in the town of Gorgan after becoming pregnant by her brother. He was absolved after expressing his remorse. Britain said that this demonstrated the unequal treatment of men and women in law and breached Iran’s pledge to restrict the death penalty to the most serious crimes.

A series of reported executions of gays, including two underage boys whose public hanging was posted on the internet, has alarmed human rights campaigners.


Under the Freedom of Information Act, the FCO released papers to The Times about the death penalty being used in Iran for homosexuality, adultery and sex outside marriage.

Minutes taken by an official describe a meeting between British and Iranian MPs at the Inter-Parliamentary Union, a peace body, in May. When the Britons raised the hangings of Asqari and Marhouni, the leader of the Iranian delegation, Mr Yahyavi, a member of his parliament’s energy committee, was unflinching. He “explained that according to Islam gays and lesbianism were not permitted,” the record states. “He said that if homosexual activity is in private there is no problem, but those in overt activity should be executed [he initially said tortured but changed it to executed]. He argued that homosexuality is against human nature and that humans are here to reproduce. Homosexuals do not reproduce.”


Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, Yemen and Nigeria apply the death penalty for homosexuality, according to the International Lesbian and Gay Association.

The same article concludes with a helpful list of some of the victim so Sharia law, a law that, when originally enacted, was probably consistent with the law in Western countries as well, during the 7th through 16th Centuries.  The problem is that we in the West have moved on, while those in Iran and other Islamist nations, have not:


— Homosexuals Farbod Mostaar and Ahmad Chooka sentenced to death. Iran said Chooka had kidnapped, knifed and raped a student

— A woman called Soghra was sentenced to stoning for adultery and being an accomplice to her husband’s murder

— Two men executed in public after being found guilty of a homosexual relationship. A newspaper said they were convicted of sodomy, rape and kidnapping

— Zhila Izadi, 13, sentenced to stoning after becoming pregnant with her brother’s child


— Malek Ghorbany sentenced to stoning for adultery

— Leila Qomi sentenced to stoning for adultery and assisting a man who killed her husband. He received 100 lashes


— Jafar Kiana stoned for adultery. His female lover Mokarrameh Ebrahimi sentenced to the same fate.

While I have absolutely no doubt that there are thousands, nay, tens of thousands or even millions of good, decent, humane Iranians, it is patently clear that the country as a whole has embraced a leadership that has no conception of human rights as we understand them in the West.  Iran’s morality and belief systems are entirely different from ours, and we make a terrible mistake if we assume that they use the same decision-making algorithms we in the West do, whether we’re talking about women, gays, WMDs, or the destruction of nations.


8 Responses

  1. Yet you will see nary a protest on a college campus about these human rights abuses. Neither women’s groups nor gay activists advocate on behalf of these unfortunate people. No self righteous college students jet off to Iran to gather and provoke, and garner international news media attention, like the ISM does. That’s because to do so would entail real risk; disappearing in some Iranian prison hellhole, torture, or death. No. far easier to hate the Israeli soldier than to care about these kinds of human rights.

  2. Pajamas Media links to a great article (actually a book review) by Stanly Kurtz at Claremont Review, which deals with the cultural differnces you describe, but in Pakistan.

  3. Lulu,

    Few activists went to South Africa to protest apartheid. They demonstrated at home, and pressured their own country’s businesses and politicians. Yet the protests were extremely effective. It’s no so much that they’re not protesting in Iran, it’s that they’re not protesting AT ALL.

    Multiculturalism has trumped civil rights in the international liberal arena. They will protest in the West against the West, but they will not protest against other cultures.

    I wouldn’t focus very much on the sorry state of homosexual rights in those countries. (Execution AND torture, but in the opposite order?) Gay rights, if they’re granted, always follow rights for women.

    And that’s what is troubling here. A man and a woman commit adultery, and he is forgiven after expressing remorse, where she is stoned to death. And remember, stoning usually involves being buried up to the waist to affix her in position, and then being struck repeatedly by thrown stones until death. That sounds a lot like torture followed by execution as well.

    Where are the liberal protests against this savage treatment of women? Nary a voice to be heard.

  4. They will mention it (in a footnote somewhere on page 741 of their annual report and then go back to the Eeevil Apartheid Zionazi Neocon Entity cutting out the livers of Palestinian childern to make matzohballs. They’ve intellectually surrendered to sharia, because it is the Significant Other.

  5. I spent my years as a youth living abroad during the Cold War. One of the things that I never understood about my fellow Americans is that they automatically assumed that a) people anywhere could and should protest their government and b) that any government was legitimately supported by its people just because they said so (otherwise they would be protesting, right?).

    I recall vividly one of my fellow students in the middle of Communist Prague suddenly asking people in the street in a loud voice why, if they aren’t happy, they don’t protest against the government? She had no clue how many Czechs she endangered that day simply by opening her mouth.

    Americans generally have no clue about what it is like to live in a dictatorship where the price of dissent is not so much the violence they do to you, but the violence they do to your family.

    There are numerous reports that suggest that the U.S. population is very pro-U.S. It’s just that they can’t do anything about it – they don’t run the government.

  6. That’s because to do so would entail real risk; disappearing in some Iranian prison hellhole, torture, or death. No. far easier to hate the Israeli soldier than to care about these kinds of human rights.

    Human beings are like electrons. They follow the path of least resistance. It is a principle of meta-intelligence, that field which concerns itself with controlling, manipulating, and harnessing human intelligence.

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