sadly, i didn’t get my ymarsakar decoder ring for x-mas so i have no idea what you’re talking about.

but, in plain english, are you calling me anti-american?

peace

This applies to dagon’s case in which peace and American rewards are sought as a standard for success. Yet peace and what America is today is the fruits of success, it is not success itself. Iraq is not America, so that makes it under martial law to dagon because dagon has associated success with the fruits of success.

When your goals are warped, then obviously the methods you choose to pursue those goals will be different from Petraeus’ surge, classical liberalism’s need to destroy enemies of humanity, and Bush’s desire to set up a democracy in the Middle East.

in the end, no amount of additional information or data will change a person’s philosophy so that it is compatible with the philosophies of others. It is human experience that changes minds. And mutual interest. No amount of info about American intentions or AQ tendencies convinced Al Anbar. It was experience, the experience of war to be precise.

Peace is about benchmarks. War is about winning.

unless you are content with perpetual martial law, there’s really no way that you can say that the surge has been a success.

it’s merely a band-aid to slow the bleeding.

peace

same to you

Btw, nice to hear from you again, Dagon. My best to Signorina Dagon “e tutti le bambini dagoni.”

do we have an agreement for the sunni and shia to share power in any representative way?

When we can get Democrats to share power with Republicans like Bush in a representative way, then we’ll talk about Iraq’s problems.

War is the method by which humanity reaches greater understanding and progress. The proof of that has been a seed in Leftist history since their inception. Unfortunately, not everyone that participates in war is competent or particularly admirable. The same applies to the war waged against Americans by anti-Americans and Leftists, which is a redundant way of puting it.

Overall, with oil revenues now flowing to all ethnic areas, I would say the Iraqi government has made more progress toward meeting its objectives than our own Congress.

Welcome back, by the way.

i’m not going to waste bandwidth describing just how intellectually dishonest that statement is but i will ask you to address the STATED purpose for the “surge” in the first place:

“”The purpose of the surge was to create a secure environment in which the Iraqi government would have the opportunity to make the political change to end … the violence there,” Pelosi said. “They have not taken advantage of that opportunity. And as the general said in the article this morning, that window may be closing for them to do so.”

i will concede that violence is down and while that is obviously good news, a large part of that is due to the fact that the ethnic cleansing has largely run it’s course with warring sunni and shia coalescing into their respective fiefdoms; which does not bode well for a centralized government; which was a condition for SUCCESS if you recall.

so which of the stated goals have been accomplished book? are we any closer to a competent iraqi army or police force? do we have an agreement for the sunni and shia to share power in any representative way? what about oil profits?

but i shouldn’t be surprised. you have been obfuscating and moving the goal-posts for years to suit your version of reality. luckily for america though, a great many more citizens have taken their sanity pills and now see this b.s. for what it really is.

peace