Comments on: Would the Muslims really make nice with us if Israel were gone? http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/ She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:52:35 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Israel Shamir http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-102268 Israel Shamir Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:08:11 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-102268 Here you go. Tke a look at this link: http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/Finch1.htm Here you go. Tke a look at this link:
http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/Finch1.htm

]]> By: Israel Shamir http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-102266 Israel Shamir Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:01:17 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-102266 What an incredibly bigoted question. If a goy had said "would Jews really make nice with us if it weren't for our own intolerance" and proceeded to debunk this argument by pointing to the long history of Jewish strife with the goyim - no matter who the "goyim" should happen to be - and concluded that the problem is intrinsic to Jewish beliefs and practices you would be crying "antisemite" hysterically. Besides, you don't seem to recognize how ordinary Jews are manipulated by their Jewish leaders: http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/Contributor59.htm What an incredibly bigoted question. If a goy had said “would Jews really make nice with us if it weren’t for our own intolerance” and proceeded to debunk this argument by pointing to the long history of Jewish strife with the goyim – no matter who the “goyim” should happen to be – and concluded that the problem is intrinsic to Jewish beliefs and practices you would be crying “antisemite” hysterically.

Besides, you don’t seem to recognize how ordinary Jews are manipulated by their Jewish leaders:
http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/Contributor59.htm

]]> By: zhombre http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101672 zhombre Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:40:40 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101672 If AQ attempts that, Danny, I suspect they will be slaughtered by the Algerians with very little regard for world opinion or editorial opinion of the New York Times. If AQ attempts that, Danny, I suspect they will be slaughtered by the Algerians with very little regard for world opinion or editorial opinion of the New York Times.

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101641 Danny Lemieux Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:37:28 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101641 You are right about Algeria and its homegrown Jihadi die-hards, Nouri. However, there have been increasing reports that Al Qaeda is looking to Algeria as an alternative base of operations, now that they are getting pushed out of Iraq and Afghanistan. You are right about Algeria and its homegrown Jihadi die-hards, Nouri. However, there have been increasing reports that Al Qaeda is looking to Algeria as an alternative base of operations, now that they are getting pushed out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

]]> By: Nouri http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101582 Nouri Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:57:56 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101582 This attack has nothing to do with America or Israel. This is the result of a Civil War that has been going on since 1992 in Algeria that was and is the result of the domestic poltiical problems in the country. It is in a different context than the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The group that committed these acts began as an off-shoot of an off-shoot of the original Islamist fighting groups in Algeria that rejected the pacts that ended the civil war between the government and terrorists. They number probably less than 1,000, and they are the die hards seeking to overthrow the government and make an Islamic Republic. They allied themselves with al-Qaeda last year and have not made any major gains in recruitment or in poltiical/military gains since. These attacks were about Algeria and very little else. Nouri This attack has nothing to do with America or Israel. This is the result of a Civil War that has been going on since 1992 in Algeria that was and is the result of the domestic poltiical problems in the country. It is in a different context than the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The group that committed these acts began as an off-shoot of an off-shoot of the original Islamist fighting groups in Algeria that rejected the pacts that ended the civil war between the government and terrorists. They number probably less than 1,000, and they are the die hards seeking to overthrow the government and make an Islamic Republic. They allied themselves with al-Qaeda last year and have not made any major gains in recruitment or in poltiical/military gains since. These attacks were about Algeria and very little else.

Nouri

]]> By: Middle East Post http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101573 Middle East Post Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:26:42 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101573 islam does not hate the west but the west is killing the muslim wherever they are islam does not hate the west but the west is killing the muslim wherever they are

]]> By: expat http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101519 expat Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:34:39 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101519 Some of the deniers of reality remind me of those sick women who establish relationships with imprisoned serial rapist/murderrs. There is a narcissistic element of wanting to believe that only they can truly understand these perverts, only they can save them. We know how well that works. Some of the deniers of reality remind me of those sick women who establish relationships with imprisoned serial rapist/murderrs. There is a narcissistic element of wanting to believe that only they can truly understand these perverts, only they can save them. We know how well that works.

]]> By: Lulu http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101434 Lulu Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:20:19 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101434 Some see the world as it is, not as they are told it is. Some see the world as it is, not as they are told it is.

]]> By: Deana http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101335 Deana Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:05:53 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101335 If Israel did not exist, the Muslim world would have to invent her. Someone must be blamed for the problems that plague their world and unfortunately, not enough of them are willing to conduct much self-examination, much less study what qualities make other nations successful. Danny - I completely agree with your comment regarding the inability / unwillingness of people to believe what others say. I can't begin to count the number of times I have heard someone say, "Oh, Ahmadinejad isn't serious," or "That group acts that way just because they feel threatened - if X went away, these people would be just like everyone else." It's been my experience that most of the people who do not appear to recognize danger or the fact that there are people who are more than willing to hurt them for no reason are upper-middle class liberals who are super-educated. What really confounds me is that these people didn't grow up that much differently than the rest of us - so how is it that some wind up implicity understanding danger and threats and others just don't? If Israel did not exist, the Muslim world would have to invent her. Someone must be blamed for the problems that plague their world and unfortunately, not enough of them are willing to conduct much self-examination, much less study what qualities make other nations successful.

Danny – I completely agree with your comment regarding the inability / unwillingness of people to believe what others say. I can’t begin to count the number of times I have heard someone say, “Oh, Ahmadinejad isn’t serious,” or “That group acts that way just because they feel threatened – if X went away, these people would be just like everyone else.”

It’s been my experience that most of the people who do not appear to recognize danger or the fact that there are people who are more than willing to hurt them for no reason are upper-middle class liberals who are super-educated.

What really confounds me is that these people didn’t grow up that much differently than the rest of us – so how is it that some wind up implicity understanding danger and threats and others just don’t?

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101326 Danny Lemieux Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:56:38 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/would-the-muslims-really-make-nice-with-us-if-israel-was-gone/#comment-101326 Actually, Book, there is something much more fundamental missing here and that is the inability of many Westerners of the Left and other groups (including many Jews who should know better, unfortunately) to take the words of their enemies at face value, starting with the Koran itself. That's what I don' t get. These people are SAYING that they want to kill us for being infidels and DOING so... and so many of their victims refuse to believe that they mean what they say. Unfortunately, this is part of the human condition. Nobody believed Hitler meant what he said and wrote (Mein Kampf) when he rose to power and so many Jews refused to leave Germany because they could not believe that he meant what he said. So, they perished. I do think that much of this reflects the inability of people, especially non-religious people, to stare evil in the face and recognize it for what it is. It also makes me wonder if many people are simply hard-wired for submission and slavery. In past generations, Darwin's principle and the wolves would have weeded them out. Today, they survive and thrive under the protection of the much-despised watch dogs that guard the flock..for now! Actually, Book, there is something much more fundamental missing here and that is the inability of many Westerners of the Left and other groups (including many Jews who should know better, unfortunately) to take the words of their enemies at face value, starting with the Koran itself.

That’s what I don’ t get. These people are SAYING that they want to kill us for being infidels and DOING so… and so many of their victims refuse to believe that they mean what they say.

Unfortunately, this is part of the human condition. Nobody believed Hitler meant what he said and wrote (Mein Kampf) when he rose to power and so many Jews refused to leave Germany because they could not believe that he meant what he said. So, they perished.

I do think that much of this reflects the inability of people, especially non-religious people, to stare evil in the face and recognize it for what it is. It also makes me wonder if many people are simply hard-wired for submission and slavery.

In past generations, Darwin’s principle and the wolves would have weeded them out. Today, they survive and thrive under the protection of the much-despised watch dogs that guard the flock..for now!

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