Comments on: The wonders of socialized medicine http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/ She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:52:35 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: ymarsakar http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72696 ymarsakar Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:59:57 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72696 You see, Don. g is writing script for the pleasure of reading it. That's all he is doing. You might think he is trying to make some points or forward his views or something, but that's not what he thinks he is doing. The only dots that need to be connected are between the glowing orbs of light orbiting g's head with absolute obeisance. You see, Don. g is writing script for the pleasure of reading it. That’s all he is doing. You might think he is trying to make some points or forward his views or something, but that’s not what he thinks he is doing.

The only dots that need to be connected are between the glowing orbs of light orbiting g’s head with absolute obeisance.

]]> By: greg http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72576 greg Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:41:51 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72576 Connect the dots as you will. Connect the dots as you will.

]]> By: Bookworm http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72575 Bookworm Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:35:08 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72575 Greg: Where did the bit about "citizens who the state dislikes" come from? Unless perhaps you mean that the state is interested in people (are they citizens?) who obsessively ride the ferry, checking out all of its inner workings and taking pictures of everything and asking questions that would be most appropriate only for someone contemplating the ferry's violent destruction. That's what you mean, right? Everything else you say is unintelligible, but I'm sure that's because you're so much smarter than I am. Greg: Where did the bit about “citizens who the state dislikes” come from? Unless perhaps you mean that the state is interested in people (are they citizens?) who obsessively ride the ferry, checking out all of its inner workings and taking pictures of everything and asking questions that would be most appropriate only for someone contemplating the ferry’s violent destruction. That’s what you mean, right? Everything else you say is unintelligible, but I’m sure that’s because you’re so much smarter than I am.

]]> By: greg http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72572 greg Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:17:31 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72572 Don, perhaps you should be honest with yourself first. Your contributions to this thread support the thread and its advocacy for publishing in the press a particular photo for the express purpose of recruiting the public to aid the state in rounding up citizens who the state dislikes. It is disingenuous of you * to deny your desire to conscript the press for state purposes. * to assert a benign erosion in individual liberty in publishing the photo. * to claim an absence of affinity in publishing the photo with the practices of authoritarian states. The only nuance in your position is its obfuscation of the police state methods you promote. Don, perhaps you should be honest with yourself first. Your contributions to this thread support the thread and its advocacy for publishing in the press a particular photo for the express purpose of recruiting the public to aid the state in rounding up citizens who the state dislikes. It is disingenuous of you

* to deny your desire to conscript the press for state purposes.
* to assert a benign erosion in individual liberty in publishing the photo.
* to claim an absence of affinity in publishing the photo with the practices of authoritarian states.

The only nuance in your position is its obfuscation of the police state methods you promote.

]]> By: Don Quixote http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72352 Don Quixote Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:50:38 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72352 Y - You're probably right. He certainly makes claims (like the 14 points) then refuses to back them up, but at least he tried to engage in comment 25 and that's worth an answer. g - First, please don't misrepresent me. I never demanded the paper print anything. I only said that making such a suggestion wasn't fascist. If you are going to take me on, do it honestly. Second, the purpose of the photo was to identify the people so that they could be questioned, nothing more. The purpose is to stop crimes before the are committed, so of course they haven't committed any crimes yet. There is nothing fascist in this and nothing that violates libertarianism in questioning people who are acting suspiciously. Again, if it were a private picture, that would be something else. And, if it were more than questioning (harassment, imprisonment even though no crime was committed, etc.) that would be another matter entirely. The problem appears to be that you are either unwilling to make such fine distinctions, or assume that I am unable to do so. My views are far more nuanced than you give them credit for, as are most libertarians' views (and conservatives' views, for that matter). Now, how about sharing those 14 points? Y – You’re probably right. He certainly makes claims (like the 14 points) then refuses to back them up, but at least he tried to engage in comment 25 and that’s worth an answer.

g – First, please don’t misrepresent me. I never demanded the paper print anything. I only said that making such a suggestion wasn’t fascist. If you are going to take me on, do it honestly. Second, the purpose of the photo was to identify the people so that they could be questioned, nothing more. The purpose is to stop crimes before the are committed, so of course they haven’t committed any crimes yet. There is nothing fascist in this and nothing that violates libertarianism in questioning people who are acting suspiciously. Again, if it were a private picture, that would be something else. And, if it were more than questioning (harassment, imprisonment even though no crime was committed, etc.) that would be another matter entirely. The problem appears to be that you are either unwilling to make such fine distinctions, or assume that I am unable to do so. My views are far more nuanced than you give them credit for, as are most libertarians’ views (and conservatives’ views, for that matter). Now, how about sharing those 14 points?

]]> By: ymarsakar http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72210 ymarsakar Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:40:55 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72210 g wants you to deny that you are whatever you are, Don. His stage that he is directing commands that you must deny and he must accuse, for his little game to work. one of the reasons g avoids me is because I don't read or go by his script. Nor is my behavior adaptable to his narration. g expects you to deny his accussations, Don. It simply makes his world more real to him when you do. <B>A narcissist's strange relationship with himself has many ramifications for his relationship to others, which is just as warped. He relates to himself as a fictional character. He also authors the story. Everyone has a personal narrative, but a narcissist's gives new meaning to the term. He relates to you as but a character, not a real person. Now, imagine you're a novelist writing away, and some character comes out on the page telling you that, no, the story doesn't go this way: it goes that way. Bizarre, eh? Well, in a way, that's what you are doing when you contradict the narcissist's fantasy. He has utter, utter contempt for reality and truth. He is the creator of his own universe, which he makes up on the fly. No exaggeration. He is like a little child playing Pretend with her friends. She wants to author the story, and her little friends must just play along. She will stamp her foot and yell at a playmate who doesn't like the role she's assigned him and cry, "NO! You're not supposed to that! You're supposed to do this!" Narcissists don't dare admit that this is what they're up to with their pathological lying. Probably they repress consciousness of it themselves. But this is what they're doing when they tell you bizarre lies that they (should) know you couldn't possibly believe. They don't want you to BELIEVE it. They just want you to play along. They just want you act as though it's true. They want you not to contradict their fantasy. For, you make it hard for them to maintain their delusions when you don't play along. That's all they want.</b> http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2007/08/narcissists-strange-relationships.html g wants you to deny that you are whatever you are, Don. His stage that he is directing commands that you must deny and he must accuse, for his little game to work.

one of the reasons g avoids me is because I don’t read or go by his script. Nor is my behavior adaptable to his narration.

g expects you to deny his accussations, Don. It simply makes his world more real to him when you do.

A narcissist’s strange relationship with himself has many ramifications for his relationship to others, which is just as warped.

He relates to himself as a fictional character. He also authors the story.

Everyone has a personal narrative, but a narcissist’s gives new meaning to the term.

He relates to you as but a character, not a real person.

Now, imagine you’re a novelist writing away, and some character comes out on the page telling you that, no, the story doesn’t go this way: it goes that way.

Bizarre, eh? Well, in a way, that’s what you are doing when you contradict the narcissist’s fantasy. He has utter, utter contempt for reality and truth. He is the creator of his own universe, which he makes up on the fly.

No exaggeration.

He is like a little child playing Pretend with her friends. She wants to author the story, and her little friends must just play along. She will stamp her foot and yell at a playmate who doesn’t like the role she’s assigned him and cry, “NO! You’re not supposed to that! You’re supposed to do this!”

Narcissists don’t dare admit that this is what they’re up to with their pathological lying. Probably they repress consciousness of it themselves. But this is what they’re doing when they tell you bizarre lies that they (should) know you couldn’t possibly believe.

They don’t want you to BELIEVE it. They just want you to play along. They just want you act as though it’s true. They want you not to contradict their fantasy. For, you make it hard for them to maintain their delusions when you don’t play along.

That’s all they want.

http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2007/08/narcissists-strange-relationships.html

]]> By: greg http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72147 greg Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:53:06 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-72147 You missed some ... For insight into the happy relationship between Libertarian and Authoritarian politics you need to go no further than your own post above. "Publishing a picture taken in a public place in a newspaper doesn’t violate anybody’s rights." You go on from there and somewhat inelegantly back away from your earlier demands for the paper to publish the photographs. But, regardless, you conveniently ignore the problem: That the purpose of Malik's, Book's and your insistence that the paper publish the photos is to aid the state in identifying – rounding up – citizens who haven't committed any crime, yet the state dislikes them. THAT's a police state. THAT's what you – as a Libertarian – support and want. Fact is, Libertarians talk the talk but walk in lockstep with conservative authoritarians. You missed some …

For insight into the happy relationship between Libertarian and Authoritarian politics you need to go no further than your own post above.

“Publishing a picture taken in a public place in a newspaper doesn’t violate anybody’s rights.”

You go on from there and somewhat inelegantly back away from your earlier demands for the paper to publish the photographs. But, regardless, you conveniently ignore the problem: That the purpose of Malik’s, Book’s and your insistence that the paper publish the photos is to aid the state in identifying – rounding up – citizens who haven’t committed any crime, yet the state dislikes them. THAT’s a police state. THAT’s what you – as a Libertarian – support and want. Fact is, Libertarians talk the talk but walk in lockstep with conservative authoritarians.

]]> By: Don Quixote http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-71620 Don Quixote Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:53:33 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-71620 Better yet, greag, why don't you wash your mouth out with soap, clear the cobwebs from your brain, drop the insults and join in the constructive conversation? I'm still waiting for those 14 points and how they fit with my libertarian posts. That would be a great place to start. Otherwise, you are just proving Y-man's point and mine. You can't put up or shut up. Better yet, greag, why don’t you wash your mouth out with soap, clear the cobwebs from your brain, drop the insults and join in the constructive conversation? I’m still waiting for those 14 points and how they fit with my libertarian posts. That would be a great place to start. Otherwise, you are just proving Y-man’s point and mine. You can’t put up or shut up.

]]> By: ymarsakar http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-71589 ymarsakar Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:56:32 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-71589 See? See?

]]> By: greag http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-71584 greag Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:35:43 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/the-wonders-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-71584 Wipe the foam from your mouth, Don. Wipe the foam from your mouth, Don.

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