Comment by Bookworm | June 19, 2007

80% sense, Book, to me. But then, I’ve tried to invest in a skill that allows seeing past people’s words to their true meaning and soul. So it might indeed make 0-8% sense to someone else.

Eli is saying that Soros because as a Jew and had a Bar Mitzvah at 13, is responsible as an adult for his actions, contrary to what Niko said. Soros steals from people not because he is a Jew, but because he is Soros, is the approximate translation. And finally, Eli would like George Soros to be the one detained by the Iranians as a hostage cum spy, rather than one of his underlings.

Let me reframe the philosophical context that you mentioned at the end of your comment. You said Soros didn’t do everything himself, well that is obvous given that Soros operates through intermediaries, funds, organizations, and proxies. Soros got rich by speculating and money exchange rates, and perhaps some other schemes and regulated patterns. He didn’t go out with his two hands to forge an Empire or something, I recognize it. So I don’t disagree with you about what you said about Soros at the end of your comment. However, what does that then have to do with Soros being the cause of Albanians loving Bush? You are the one after speaking of Albanians loving even Bush because of Soros and Clinton. The philosophical viewpoint thus becomes very important because of that.

The only thing you know about Soros is that he was against Bush. That’s the only thing you want to know, and you won’t be bothered by the fact that he, I repeat, was the man that did more than any other private person to defeat Communism and that he is one of the main reasons that Albania is so pro-American that it even loves Bush.

You can see the formation of my point more clearly, I hope. It may be true that Soros contributed to many things and is part of many people’s reasonings, but why would Soros’ actions make them love Bush? Why would it even be one of the reasons, given that Soros is an enemy of Bush? So obviously, stating that the existence of Soros’ help or lack of it helps people in Albania love Bush is… somewhat off key.

Legalizing marijuana is pretty much a default libertarian position.

Every man and woman has a limit to their power. The problem with Soros is he thinks there are no limits on his power. Godlike mania complexes are never a good thing. Do you really believe that Soros will be satisfied with his proxy groups and legalization of marijuana? That his feverish desires will not propel him to something else that he believes to be the Good? It will not end with marijuana. That’s something I can only say for those who are truly wealthy and powerful. Since for most people, they would run out of money smoking marijuana first.

It’s also kind of strange of you to talk about “dangers of being simplistic” while claiming that Soros would never do anything to defeat Communism because of some vague story from his childhood.

That’s not what I claimed. If you run through the logic, you will see that collaboration has nothing to with any love or loyalty to a Nazi regime or ideology. It is self-survival, pure and simple. Self-survival being a human hardwired instinct, it is very very simple. Not as complex as human feelings, ethics, and dreams. After all, you and I know that Hitler once was allied with Stalin in dividing up Poland. Does this somehow mean that because Hitler and Stalin did that, that they would never try to destroy each other? Come on. Of course Soros might do something to defeat Communism, but none of that is all that relevant to what I care about. Soros is done with Communism and has no focused on the US’s free market systems.

I, personally, know about countless good things done by OSI that didn’t bring Soros any profit whatsoever.

The techniques of control, power, and deception has little to anything to do with obtaining wealth. Wealth is just a tool, not the goal. True power comes at a price, and Soros has already paid some of that price via the capture of one of his proxy agents by Iran. Perhaps more than one. Soros understands as well as I, that to obtain true power, you must sacrifice some critical capital assets (financial) as well as people (loyal folks).

Nobody comes out of a war with 100% unit integrity. Nobody.

Regardless of whether Soros did “good” things or not, doesn’t really matter. It is what he is doing now and his ultimate goals that matter. After all Hamas and Hizbollah, as you well know, have provided welfare nets to countless thousands of people that would have suffered without them. How much good do you think you can do by talking about the good things Hamas and Hizbollah have done?

Don’t get too worried about Soros being compared to Hizbollah, Soros is far too powerful and special for that kind of crude comparison. I’m just giving you a communication analogy, to communicate what I mean by “good things done are irrelevant”.

Because some insider with self-interest said so. That settles it.

Where do you get that from? The objective analysis of the attacks on Wolfowitz’s companion is in the public records. Christopher Hitchins has it himself, and he is enough of a propagandist-debater to understand the methods at play. Besides, Wolfowitz basically opened all of his defenses when he got sucked into the trap, when the World Bank allowed his companion near him professionally. When I say Wolfowitz opened his defenses, this is relevant because this is an invitation to attack, and attacks were what he got. But nobody would have attacked Wolfo had Wolfo been working for Soros and the anti-Bush league. We know this because there are plenty of World Bank figures, bureacrats, and EU cogs with actual trophy girlfriends put on display using professional power.

Inside information has nothing to do with this. This is all public sector stuff.

Hey, here’s a typical picture from the site we’re discussing. Would you want to discuss its factual accuracy?

The factual accuracy of a picture? Who are you kidding here? I’m talking about the factual accuracy of the quote I used that you said was Communist propaganda and said I supported the site/implications, making it look like I supported the propaganda of Communists. Hello here, just answer the questions of whether you think those specific passages or true or false. Can’t be that complicated unless you’re dodging and evading by attacking the character of your opponent. The Communist practice of liquidating and purging a political opponent is long gone, comrade.

I just looked at that picture and it was really funny, because this photo must have been done after the Nazi-Soviet pact was broken. You would have seen something else before. The Soviets had the most compartamentalized mindsets I’ve ever witnessed. They could switch from “We’re against the Imperialist pigs with our German brothers in arms” to “We’re facing off against the fascistic fascists, with our friends of the West”. Amazing. Not even the Left here in the US could emulate that kind of doctrinal loyalty.

If you think that you can’t judge people by their friends and enemies, why even go there?

hey, you know that you’re a friend of Soros right? So this makes Iran your natural enemy right? No. Iran’s your ally right now, given your comments of an Iran II in Iraq. Your efforts directly contradict US efforts to push Iran back. I told you before, the network of alliances isn’t a simple “if this then that” logic result, Niko. Sure, theoretically if you could get a list of who everyone’s enemies and allies were, then you could be set and just trace the connections like the US did with Saddam’s family connections in order to capture him alive. But you can’t do that Niko, because you don’t know half of Soro’s allies to begin with. Nobody knows, given Soros’ extensive network of proxies and financial institutes and various other apparatus he controls or funds or influences.

Talking in generalities like “Albanians are friends with Soros” is ridiculous on its face. Friendships are made between individuals, and you don’t care about individuals. (or even list them with anecdotes) Because individual relationships for everyone requires a quantum computer to map out, in this 6 billion human planet of ours.

Book is right on principle, that you can judge a person based upon his enemies and friends. But you have to get his enemies and friends correctly, and you just don’t do that Niko for Soros, Bush, or anyone else for that matter (like me when you accused of supporting whatever).