We’re scared

Victor Davis Hanson thinks it’s time for anti-War Democrats to be honest about their current stance. I agree. As you may recall, I really savagely attacked Democrats who voted for the war and are now trying to leave the troops unfunded and recreate the Vietnam experience both at home and abroad. (Oh, joy! Those were the days.)

Part of my hostility is that I’ve never heard one of these Democrat’s credibly explain his turnabout. They say it’s all about “Bush lied,” except it isn’t. The truth is that “Wilson lied.” And we here that “we didn’t get all the information,” but it isn’t, because many Senators got the same information as Bush. And then there’s the “no WMDs” mantra, as if that was the only reason to go to war, which belies the 22 other reasons Congress carefully detailed. Hanson spells out the truth on the ground at the time:

Most in Congress accepted that Saddam was a genocidal mass murderer. They knew he used his petrodollars to acquire dangerous weapons. And they felt his savagery was intolerable in a post-9/11 world. There was no debate that Saddam gave money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers or offered sanctuary to terrorists like Abu Abbas and Abu Nidal. And few Democrats questioned whether the al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group Ansar al-Islam was in Kurdistan.

In other words, Democrats, like most others, wanted Saddam taken out for a variety of reasons beyond fears of WMDs. Moreover, it was the Clinton-appointed CIA director George Tenet who supplied both Democrats and Republicans in Congress with much of the intelligence they would later cite in deciding to attack Saddam.

When both congressional Democrats and Republicans cast their votes to go along with President Bush, they even crafted 23 formal causes for war. So far only the writ concerning the fear of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction has in hindsight proven false.

Once historical reality erases the excuses, what you’re left with is the unpalatable Democratic truth: “We’re scared: we’re scared of the jihadists, and we’re scared of European disdain, and we’re especially scared of our more extreme base.” Or, as Hanson more eloquently puts it:

So why not come clean about their changes of heart?

Many Democrats apparently think that claiming they were victimized by Bush and the neocons is more palatable than confessing to their own demoralization with the news from the front.

Others may fear that admitting publicly that a disheartened America should not or cannot finish a conflict would send a dangerous message to our enemies. So while these Democrats accuse President Bush of being hardheaded and unwavering on Iraq, they are still afraid that their own mea culpas would send an equally dangerous message of inconsistency abroad.

Democrats need to admit the truth: that removing a dangerous Saddam Hussein and promoting democracy in his place seemed a good idea to them in 2003-4 when the cost appeared tolerable. Now, in 2007, with over 3,000 American lives lost in Iraq, they feel differently.

In other words, Democrats could argue that somewhere along the line — whether it was after Fallujah or the start of sectarian Sunni-Shiite violence — they either lost confidence in the very ability of the United States to stabilize Iraq or felt that, even if we could, it was no longer worth the tab in American blood and treasure.

I like Hanson’s demand for ideological honesty.  I don’t see it happening, though, when Congress people always have the sheltering arms of an ideologically complicit media within which to hide.

27 Responses

  1. That would mean taking responsibility for their actions and words. That won’t happen because the next step would be for the Democrats to actually come up with some real solutions to the real problems which is hard when they don’t have a clue what to do next–tunnel vision that ends at 2008 isn’t the greatest longterm game plan for success or our survival as a nation. That is why we see only smoke, mirrors and blame from them. Unfortunately, creative, good ideas and solutions don’t tend to be the ones that give good poll numbers, at least not at first.

  2. What do you expect from the party that wants the courts to force the POTUS to do what they want? Seriously…

  3. Good Morning Bookworm,

    Perhaps someone should point out explicitly and emphatically that there were weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq, and, yes, chemical weapons are weapons of mass destruction. We knew they were in Iraq because we have video footage of warehouses stacked to the gills with them before we invaded. And after we invaded, we found hundreds of chemical munitions.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

    This should tell us vital pieces of information here if we pay attention. Some chemical weapons are probably still in Iraq; we just don’t know where they are— safely (relatively) buried underground or someone has them.

    We know concretely that when we were on the build-up to invade Iraq, Saddam scattered most of his arsenal through the country and buried them in the Mesopotamian desert. To draw an analogy, it would be like trying to find a few small trailers rigs that are buried underground and scattered about a country roughly the size of California.

    As Hanson reminded us, we went to war with Iraq on 23 listed grievances, only one of which was the charge of having weapons of mass destruction. Let’s be clear here. The only reason the weapons of mass destruction was played up was because of a British report on the subject. WMD’s just have a “Wow Factor” that makes people pay more attention (worst case scenarios usually do).

    Among one of the counts in a litany of counts is Saddam’s mass murder of the Kurds. Somehow this gets lost in all the hollering by the anti-war crowd, EVEN AS THEY DEMAND WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT DARFUR. For that matter, why do we honor World War II when Saddam did pretty much the same thing?

    … (sigh) A man cannot force repeated contradictions into his mind, insisting A is not A but B or C or D— one cannot do this and not have his mental faculties deteriorate. We are seeing examples of this everywhere. My friends and I call it “the dumbing down” of society.

    Many people often are more than ready to accept pat, facile explanations than hear reasoned arguments using facts. As I’ve heard so many people say around me and in our leadership, “Who’s truth? Your truth or mine?”

    As John Galt said, “A is A.” Have we, as a civilization and a people, lost the capacity to acknowledge a thing for what it is? If so, everything we say here and for the past few years is a dead letter; we’re just waiting for the rot inside to reach the surface.

    I, for one, believe we have enough faith and enough moral courage left to jump-start our nation. (”Clear!” says the paramedic.) It’s simple: Either we get a revival and renewal or we go under.

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  5. I don’t hear pillowc or reid talking about Darfur.

  6. Ymarsakar,

    Generally speaking, our liberals have been clamoring for us to do something about Darfur. I haven’t heard what they want us to do exactly, but the George Clooney’s and various activists who are against the war in Iraq bemoan the atrocities in Darfur.

    I wasn’t really addressing our national politicians in my comments above, but here is what Reid said back in 2006:

    http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=257752&

    “The Congress and the Bush Administration were right to label the atrocities in Sudan as genocide, but with the Darfur Peace Agreement signed, now is the time for engagement,” said Reid. “Just yesterday, the African Union and the United Nations warned of the ‘risk of major violence’ in Darfur. Now more than ever, we must do everything possible to assist the African Union Mission in Sudan. This new legislation is an important step forward.”

    The new legislation, passed as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill, directs the Department of Defense to report to Congress on what it can offer to support the African Union Mission in Sudan (AMIS) in its efforts to stop the genocide…

    In a letter to the Secretary of State, Senator Reid noted that the pending departure of Bob Zoellick provided yet another reason to appoint a Special Envoy to oversee the implementation of the peace accords. Senator Reid first called for a Special Envoy in a letter sent to President Bush on May 25th. The text of the amendment and of both letters is attached below.

    Currently there are roughly 7,000 African Union troops trying to stop the genocide in Sudan. After an estimated 200,000 deaths, it is time for the United States to offer more than sympathy.”

  7. Politicians of little character are unlikely to admit that policies they once supported resulted in consequences too tough for them to stomach. So, they fabricate other stories.

    There will be consequences for betraying our friends and running like frightened curs before determined enemies; but, they hope, not before the next election.

  8. There’s always backup plan Z. Which is what happened with France. When things get really bad… well.

  9. Y,

    Oh and here’s Pelosi’s statement on Darfur:

    The United States simply cannot stand by while the government of Sudan continues its campaign of terror and atrocities against innocent civilians. We urge you to use your speech at the United Nations on Tuesday to call special attention to Darfur and the need for the international community to take immediate, decisive action to end the genocide.

  10. See, Thom, I never would have known about these comments. And I only stopped watching Cable this year.

    There was actually a comment I made on my blog concerning what you said about Bush, leadership, and the Republicans. Basically, somebody has to use the Demo(n) tactics of keeping dredging up dirt and back history like you did, and keeping it the topic of discussion.

    But the very fact that Bush and the Republicans have been burned by the media, and the very fact that when they did take strong stances like with Terry Schiavo – and were burned for it- has had some debilitating effects on leadership in the Repubs.

    The media is a weapon, and if you just give it to the enemy, he can do horrendous things with it.

    So in conclusion, because of how things are, if nobody keeps reminding us about what Pelosi said about Darfur and ridiculing her on it… people will act like that action never existed. It isn’t microwave behavior, it is just human behavior.

  11. I am going to try to get through this without making idiot of myself, but two of my greatest irritations have been mentioned. Vietnam, as a veteran of that action, and cutting and running in Iraq. I have yet to understand why 3000 dead in 4 years is a problem. The military is to fight and die. Having served over 30 years in the military, I understand that, my guess is so do many who are over there now. How else do you explain high re-up rates in the Army for pete sakes (OK I am an Air Force retiree, with over 200 combat mission in Viet Nam). There really is a sense of serviing your country that is imbuded in the military. I witnessed the horrible treatment this country gave Viet Nam vets, and I know several POW returnees, and some that that scurrilous, traitorous, president want-a-be Kissinger willingly left behind. (I know, what do you really want to say). What I saw then was not as bad as what I see now.
    It really matters not why we got into this war. I for one, was against it not for any of the reasons given, I thought it would be a horrible house-to-house street-by-street battle and very many would die. I guess I thought more of the Iraqi Army than they did of themselves.
    Working with CIA intelligence is nearly the same as picking up the New York Times editorial page, they all have the same goals, went to the same schools and mostly all came from the North East. I have yet to see anything come out of the CIA that was worth a …. anything. What usually comes out is wrong, ask the Chinese about their embassy in Kosovo. So, get over it, everybody got the same information as has been stated many times before. Wrong, well it came from the CIA (15 years as an Intelligence Officer allows me to say that).
    The real point, that this political whining and crying omits, is that we are there. Gen Pretraeous is doing a very good job of cleaning things up and making life much more livable. I hear this from military analyst who work where I do and who make occasional trips there, with agendas, with the full knowledge of the commanders, that we are looking for problem areas. Our Army is doing well and the current leadership has a good handle on things.
    Its the politicians that have things screwed up.
    To continue drawing paralles with Viet Nam. After Viet Nam, The Vetnamese political and military leaders came out boldly and stated that without the help and support of our MSM, they would have quit. If we give up now, we once more become the High and Mighty country that leaves after a limited number of deaths and no success, a la, Sudan.
    That puts at least two big scars on our will. 1. We abandon an ally (again) when they need us most and 2. We tell the enemy to shut up and leave us alone for six months, we’ll get out of your hair and you can do what you want with the backward Muslim country, as long as you leaveus alone in the future (Fat chance).
    Problem: Many in our political leadership don’t know what we are facing, and I am not talking about Sunni/Shia differences.
    Does anybody doubt our borders are pourous? If we pull back like the spoiled, head-in-the-sand children we appear to be, the president from the Democrat party (I refuse to say democratic) will have egg on her/his face and probably retaliate with totlally ineffective cruise missiles, again.
    I have already toldmy children to prepare for six years of hell starting Jan 2007.
    I am a realist (OK a Pessimist). I don’t think that the American public, with their heads burried in the Television watching American Idol, and scanning the MSM headlines will ever catch on to what is happening in the real world. Only something big will pull them out of Fantasy Land. Oh Yeah, that will invigorate our enemies also.
    Can’t win for losing around here.
    Well this was not as violent as I originally thougt. Maybe I have been contaminated with ‘Moderation’, God forbid.

  12. I think if Bush said this, that he was going to turn Iraq into the BlackHole of the Islamic Jihad, fortifying it with pro US sentiment and military forces, training the Iraqis into elite shocktroops that will take the fight to our enemies in Afghanistan and Iran, Saudi Arabia and North Korea… the Left would think he had gone NUTSS.

    But people will then begin to follower him more, Thom. They will, take my word on it. Strong leadership has that effect on folks. Regardless of politics.

  13. Ymarsakar, in your posts, you said,
    “Politicians of little character are unlikely to admit that policies they once supported resulted in consequences too tough for them to stomach”
    “There will be consequences for betraying our friends and running like frightened curs”
    “The media is a weapon, and if you just give it to the enemy, he can do horrendous things with it.”
    “Strong leadership has that effect on folks.”

    Hear, hear! I think you’ve put together a great collection of statements.

    I’d also like to expand on your comment that you’ve recently stopped watching cable news. In a 24/7 cycle of continuous news – and very importantly, continuous competition for ratings and the advertising dollar – news media promotion of conflict and controversy is paramount. Defeats and setbacks are to be promoted; victories and progress are to be minimized, because they do not lead to increased viewership. “If it bleeds it leads” also has its effects. Finally, when the majority of the media are hostile to a current administration engaged in a war, it has a steady harmful effect.

    Have we had any truly effective war effort since the advent of television in the home? The only ones I believe that have succeeded have practically been over before they began. To be involved in a very long struggle guarantees that you’ve made mistakes and suffered defeats. It happened in World War Two quite frequently – but the people didn’t know of their leaders’ and generals’ stupidity. We learned of it only via war analysis YEARS after the fact. Today, it is presented daily and immediately.

    I’d like to add that part of leadership is effective communication, and bolstering resolve of whom they lead (the American people). This is a difficult but essential aspect of leadership, especially in our current culture. President Bush and his administration have been (in my opinion) profoundly terrible leaders in the areas of communication and bolstering our resolve.

    In closing, I have a thought question: Remembering the celebrations that our entire nation erupted with when we defeated Germany and then Japan in World War Two… what would it take, in this day and age, for the American people to similarly explode in such a wild celebration of a victory?

  14. Is it okay to change your mind? Of course it is.Who hasn’t ?
    Come Nov. 6 ,2008 it will be out with the old and in with the new.Unless you have rocks in your head you will never have second thoughts about something. America got out of Vietnam because of a change of mind.Didn’t they? Wasn’t that a good thing that they did?
    The old cobwebs need to be blown away and new blood is needed to solve the present situation.
    Intelligent people can have a different opinion or intention than they had before. Right ? Even Bush cleaned up his earlier personal life.Good for him.He wasn’t a coward for doing it.It was time time for him take a smarter/alternative approach to a new lease on life.It is needed again today.

  15. Y,

    You said: “But people will then begin to follower him more, Thom. They will, take my word on it. Strong leadership has that effect on folks. Regardless of politics.”

    Here’s my thing. I would like to win people over to my point of view with reason, not with charisma nor force du jour.

    I do not disagree with you that if a leader acts decisively and takes bold stands, people would more readily follow him. I also do not disagree with you that people following him will do so irrespective of his politics.

    However, I would much rather people follow the President through the strength of their convictions that is gained through conclusions they’ve formulated and reasoned for themselves. Strong leadership for its own sake, independent of content and veracity, to me is dangerous and volatile at best. I would much rather that people be moved by the truth and act upon it than have people be moved by the glow of a man’s personality and be drawn into action by that glow.

    Swampacreage,

    No, sir, our retreat from Vietnam was not a good thing. It ushered in millions of people being slaughtered in Indo-China, our credibility severely damaged worldwide, our embassies burning, the Soviets invading and surrounding the Mideast oil fields… the list goes on ad nauseum.

    Some view our withdrawal from Vietnam with obvious relish and fond remembrance because it was the singularly defining event that brought them into power and influence (most notable is Hillary Clinton who was one of the key people influencing the Watergate scandal). It is the anti-war Vietnam crowd that is now seated in government.

    Others, however, view Vietnam as the approximate moment America lost confidence in herself, in her beliefs, and that what America ultimately stands for as a benevolent force in the world. We’ve been saddled with self-loathing and self-doubt ever since.

  16. Thomas, you are actually on-point. If we betray the Iraqis the way the Democrats betrayed the Cubans, Tibetans, Cambodians, Vietnamese and Iranians, why should anyone trust “us” ever again. For that matter, why should our own military ever trust a Democrat leadership of our government? Sure, the Democrats talk tough on Darfur at present, but it is clear that they would have us turn tail and run the moment the shooting starts. They cannot be trusted.

  17. Here’s my thing. I would like to win people over to my point of view with reason, not with charisma nor force du jour.

    I don’t think the world or even God, cares about our likes and dislikes. I don’t like getting hit by a car, but if I got lazy enough, I would be hit by a car. We’re not just talking about people here, Thom, we’re talking about physics, substance, reality, and causality. We want to cause people to do certain things, and you can’t get people to do certain things if you just rely upon reason. Reason never particularly made a rock move anywhere. Reason is a human faculty, a tool that is used to figure things out, it cannot directly change our physical world. If we want to change the physical world, Thom, we cannot rely upon reason alone. Not even Thomas Paine relied upon reason alone, for he used pamplets to spread his word.

    However, I would much rather people follow the President through the strength of their convictions that is gained through conclusions they’ve formulated and reasoned for themselves.

    I tend to look at things in a philosophical, military, and psychological trifecta. So in this case, I’m thinking of the military facet of my three sided crystal perspective. Meaning, there are a lot of people who volunteer for say a war (War of 1812 and Revo Ami War) who agree more or less that the war is worthy and what not. They volunteer, but that doesn’t mean they can hold the line in a battle when it counts. You need something more than ‘reasoned agreement’ in a war, in a war that requires real leadership.

    Here’s the catch and problem. Even for people who follow the President through reason and what not, they are still giong to be attacked and they are still going to be demoralized. Reason is not enough in war, it never was. You need psychological defenses, propaganda defenses, fortification defenses, military preparation and training, and so forth.

    Strong leadership for its own sake, independent of content and veracity, to me is dangerous and volatile at best.

    You’re producing a false dilemma here though. The choice is not between follow through reason or follow without content or veracity. The choice is between Washington and Lincoln, or Bush’s style of leadership.

    I’m not talking about following the Democrats, after all.

  18. Btw, Mike, that cur thing wasn’t mine. It was Z’s.

    When I say cable, I mean cable, not just cable news. No tv for me. I just get it off the net now a days, both news, entertainment, and music.

    More efficient that way centralized in my view.

    As for your question, I tend to think it is a psychological question you are asking. How do you get people to feel joy about an event? Well, how did American Idol get people to feel joy about its events, Mike? Find the answer, duplicate it, adapt it to war, and there you go.

    To be specific, people need a story line, faces, people, backgrounds, emotion, charisma, in order to feel joy at their victory or despair at their defeat. So to be practical, we find one unit, maybe a US Marine Division, and basically do a reality tv series on them. The President plans ahead to order this Marine Division to go through Iran and into Afghanistan, from Basrah. We all know this, and so we takl about it, we go through the preparations, and we slot it directly into the world wide news network’s reports (which nobody will be watching, they’ll just watch our program).

    You have to create a suspense setting, something in which people wait with baited breath and feel uncertain about. Because it is a poisonous belief, this expectation that America will win every conventional conflict. It is a bad expectation to have, this victory disease. An outgrowth of Vietnam in a way, an adaptation to a rotting event. Anyways, you create suspense because people are uncertain whether their friends, family, brothers, or sisters will make it out alive.

    Then at the end of a successful and grueling campaign that people have followed for weeks or months, like American Idol, if the campaign gets into trouble, people will crowd into the support mode, as in WWII. If things go well, the people share the enthusiasm and happiness of the soldiers.

    Remember though, this is all happening in a war zone, as US Marines travel through Iranian territory. But the point is, you STOP enemy propaganda from making us talk or hear about “international sanctions against the US” and “US the pariah and blah blah blah”. That is what is important. Get the US fokls talking and hearing things that matter. You would probably have to make a deal with some reporters and networks like Fox, for exclusives, and you wuold probably need to deny access to anybody else. Reuters, etc etc. Make it exclusive. You know. Secret. I’m sure the military knows how to do that.

    I know this is unorthodox and completely against the military grain of OPSEC and what not. But that’s the point. Military tactics more or less change throughout the times. We don’t line up abreast, shooting volleys at the enemy now a days, do we? As tech changes, so does military tactics, to adapt. Because winning is ALL that matters. Unorthodox and risky military actions that nonetheless produce victory, are excused on that basis and that basis alone. Because it is victory that matters, not excuses, not SOP, and not “we did it this way and this is the way we’ll always do it”.

    There have been many times in the past, that military leaders have used new and innovative tactics, and changed certain things concerning the “conventional military wisdom” of the times. And they either ended up succeding, or dieing when their theories didn’t pan out. Gustavus Adolpus, Napoleon, Belisarius, Hannibal, etc. All the great military leaders were not carbon copies of their contemporaries. They were special, they did things “differently”.

    And that is my point. If you are not winning, and we are definitely not winning against the IJ information wise, then you need to do whatever it takes to win. And that usually means overthrowing the status quo. Not too much however.

  19. Y,

    I quite agree that we need psychological and propaganda defenses in the conduct of this war. However, I hoped I was very specific that my comments were directed toward civilian government. If we are discussing military structure, then I would have to agree with you that the strong leadership you delineated here would be warranted and necessary, even during peacetime.

    But Republics govern through consensus, and there is the rub. That is why I would want to win people through reason rather than force. Half the battle with Lincoln and what made him so great was that he kept and maintained a consensus of governance within the civilian leadership while taking the war to the enemy. That is why Seward was so instrumental in his administration…

    I think one of the areas where I would have to disagree with President Bush’s leadership is where he categorically refused to sell the war to the American people. This is where I agree with you regarding propaganda. It is the President’s job to sell the war and handle propaganda and maintain a consensus politically for war.

    Even at this late date, if the President or ANYONE would clearly lay out the reason and the stakes for this war, I think the American public will back the President’s actions and back our soldiers to the hilt. The problem is for the past six years, instead of trying to sell this war, our leadership has been falling over themselves to explain themselves and the reason they believe the way they do. Self-justification is not selling the war, and it is essentially defensive.

    I would love it if the President or Vice President came out to address the American people and lay out plainly to the American people why this war is crucial to the maintenance of their freedom. I would love it even more if the President had someone make this point over and over and broadcast it on all levels.

  20. America lost any trust many years ago.The Cubans,Vietnamese,Cambodians ,Tibetans an Iranians from years pass were betrayed.Fool them once shame on you fool them twice shame on them.Sorry ain’t going to happen again.
    How many died in South East Asia because of French and American Imperialism fron the mid 18oo’s to 1975? Does millions ring a bell.
    The French were smart to get out of Vietnam and Americans were fools to rush in !
    No Thomas,the Americans were smart to get out of Vietnam. That country seems to be doing okay today considering . .

  21. Swampacreage,

    We have completely different world views on this point. Both views are mutually exclusive, like oil and water, and I’m afraid there is no middle ground. It doesn’t come as surprise then that I vehemently disagree with you.

  22. Actually, Thomas, you leave out a salient point: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Rice talked themselves blue in the face explaining our rationales for being in Iraq. However, the MSM refused to cover them and, worst, distorted what they said when they did through misrepresentation or omission (the favorite tactic of the NYT). You had to rely on the alternate media to find out what they truly said, but relatively few people have the time, energy or interest to dig out what was truly said. I think that few Americans today would be able to tell you what any of these individual presented as the compelling rationales for why we need to prevail.

  23. However, I hoped I was very specific that my comments were directed toward civilian government. If we are discussing military structure, then I would have to agree with you that the strong leadership you delineated here would be warranted and necessary, even during peacetime.

    The Prez is the CINC, top of the chain of command of the military. In this case, “civilian leadership and “military leadership” is the same thing. A US President is empowered to lead the military and the civilians of his nation. And leadership is not separated out in, what inspires civilians to what inspires the military. Humans are humans, and they are inspired by the same things, in general.

    But Republics govern through consensus, and there is the rub.

    Legislature through consensus. The Presidency, the Executive Branch, and Governors do not govern through consensus, otherwise what’s the veto for? Consensu is not a mandatory requirement, although it might be a specific requirement if a leader wants something done. Lincoln after all did the suspension of Habeas Corpus and only after the fact did he present a fait accompli to Congress for them to ratify it.

    Even at this late date, if the President or ANYONE would clearly lay out the reason and the stakes for this war, I think the American public will back the President’s actions and back our soldiers to the hilt. The problem is for the past six years, instead of trying to sell this war, our leadership has been falling over themselves to explain themselves and the reason they believe the way they do.

    That seems a bit contradictory, Thomas. If you say that you prefer folks figure it out through reason, then why are you against the President spelling out the reason they believe the way they do? Obviously one way is better than the other one, but why are you against ’strong leadership’ and then for the President telling the American people what they should be thinking on the war’s importance?

    I don’t see why you’re against strong leadership in the civilian world when you are calling for the exact thing I said about strong leadership.

  24. That country seems to be doing okay today considering . .

    After you kill millions of malcontents, it is easy to govern the country then. No civil wars, at all.

    Course, Vietnam is nowhere near South Korea in terms of economic development. But of course, they won the privilege of being poor, in their war with the US.

  25. Y,

    It’s not contradictory at all. Here is a fine but very important distinction. It may seem nuanced but there is a world of difference between justifying yourself and your actions in reaction to the statements of others and proactively selling the war.

    The former does not sell anything, does not persuade or coax people into looking at the war. Instead, it draws people to look at the speaker rather than the subject. The latter lays out the scope, the ultimate cause and effects of winning or losing this war. This approach makes people see the subject as important, not the speaker.

    The President has done this at various times, notably during his State of the Union speeches, and on his radio addresses. Danny is quite right that much of what the President says goes down the drain pipe because the MSM doesn’t report it. However, being that the Presidency contains in itself is the ultimate “bully pulpit” where he can address the nation directly as often as he likes (I remember Reagan doing it fairly often). I’d just like him to do it more often.

    Just like how a parent raises a child into adulthood by gentle repetition, that’s what our government should be doing.

    I don’t object to strong leadership, Y. What I object to is conducting strong leadership apart from content. What started this chain of thought was your statement that people would follow strong leader “Regardless of politics.” I think that content is of absolute necessity, which is not to say full government disclosure but just enough to bring the American people into his confidence.

    I am also convinced that if the President were to lay out the facts to the American people, and do it repeated, I think the American people can reason it from there. I don’t think strong leadership, the repetition of the laying out of facts and letting the American people make up their minds WITH the available facts are mutually exclusive nor are they contradictory.

    Personally, I think that in doing these things, you are also building up a consensus within the American people.

    Everything we’re discussing here is very, very complex. Indeed, this is the reason why Europeans look at our system of government and think we’re in total anarchy. And if we’re looking for easy pat answer, I think the universe is going to surprise us.

    Take it for what it’s worth, but this is what I think.

  26. I’ve got nothing against poor people !

  27. I saw a wonderful interview on CSPAN2 this evening. Jack Kemp interviwed Capt Robert McGovern, US Army Jag Corps. Rob is attached to the XVIII Airborne Corps, parent of the 82nd Airborne Division. He has served in Afghanistan and Iraq. He was an Army reservist working for the NYC DA’s office on 9/11 and he helped in the rescue efforts. After that experience he requested call up to active duty, and has since gone either Regular Army or extended active duty.

    While in Iraq he prosecuted captured insurgents on behalf of the U.S. military in the Central Court of Baghdad–BEFORE IRAQI JUDGES, in an Iraqi operated court. He stated that this court is operated cooperatively by Sunnis,Shia and other elements of Iraqi society. Despite the repeated implication by the media that U.S. personnel are afraid to leave the Green Zone except in heavily armed force, he commuted every day from the Green Zone to central Baghdad.

    Obviously, the MSM has never reported on this kind of activity. The American people have never heard that this is going on in Baghdad. We will never be told how Sunnis and Shia are jointly committed to making the Iraqi government work.

    He articulated our goals and accomplishments in Iraq and Afghanistan better than anyone I have heard. He fully acknowledges the difficulties and problems. But, he states emphatically that we are in the process of winning on both fronts and if we stick with the fight WE WILL WIN.

    He discussed how harmful it is for the democrats and media to constantly harp on withdrawal. As he asked, how can a villager be expected to come forward with information about terrorists if in six months we will be gone and he will be left to their mercy? Still, they do–so far.

    He states emphatically that the most serious problems in Iraq are caused by outside forces. He also states that the Iraqis strongly oppose this interference. Our biggest failing has been that we did not cut off this outside interference.

    He does a good job of discussing the trade-offs that our decison makers had to face when the decisions between preserving Iraq and ruthlessly destroying resistance in the early days.

    He has written a book entitled “All American”. I am not sure that I recall the subtitle exactly but it is along the lines of… Why I believe in football, God, and the War in Iraq. That is kind of funky, but he was a football player at Holy Cross and in the NFL before becoming a lawyer. He believes that football, as well as other team oriented sports, are an important element of maturing. I intend to read this book.

    I wish that every American could hear him talk. I wish that every national politician were required to listen to him.

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