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	<description>She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast</description>
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		<title>By: Correcting a mistake -- or making a new one? &#171; Bookworm Room</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/we-voted-for-the-war-before-we-voted-against-it/#comment-46254</link>
		<dc:creator>Correcting a mistake -- or making a new one? &#171; Bookworm Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 14:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a mistake &#8212; or making a new&#160;one? Last week, I wrote a post that was very, very hostile to the surrender Democrats, many of whom had voted in 2003 to begin the War in Iraq, and almost all of whom are now demanding [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a mistake &#8212; or making a new&nbsp;one? Last week, I wrote a post that was very, very hostile to the surrender Democrats, many of whom had voted in 2003 to begin the War in Iraq, and almost all of whom are now demanding [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/we-voted-for-the-war-before-we-voted-against-it/#comment-46173</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing but hot air breezing around, it seems. And not even the air of Michelle&#039;s aura.

Baal&#039;s got nothing. Why does that not surprise me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing but hot air breezing around, it seems. And not even the air of Michelle&#8217;s aura.</p>
<p>Baal&#8217;s got nothing. Why does that not surprise me.</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/we-voted-for-the-war-before-we-voted-against-it/#comment-45875</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Provide a plan B. How many men are you going to send after Bin Laden, what kind, with what weapons and ROE, on which orders?

If Bush&#039;s &quot;strategy&quot; is off in your expert opinion, provide a better one. Or is nagging a strategy?

Since you &#039;agree&#039; with the 2nd Ammendment, what would be your solution to VTech, big?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Provide a plan B. How many men are you going to send after Bin Laden, what kind, with what weapons and ROE, on which orders?</p>
<p>If Bush&#8217;s &#8220;strategy&#8221; is off in your expert opinion, provide a better one. Or is nagging a strategy?</p>
<p>Since you &#8216;agree&#8217; with the 2nd Ammendment, what would be your solution to VTech, big?</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/we-voted-for-the-war-before-we-voted-against-it/#comment-45871</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis and Big Al seem to forget that Libya&#039;s advanced nuclear program (and Kahn proliferation network) were exposed and halted because we went into Iraq. The oil for food corruption was only exposed after Saddam was gone. The world was not all sunshine before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis and Big Al seem to forget that Libya&#8217;s advanced nuclear program (and Kahn proliferation network) were exposed and halted because we went into Iraq. The oil for food corruption was only exposed after Saddam was gone. The world was not all sunshine before.</p>
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		<title>By: BigAL</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/we-voted-for-the-war-before-we-voted-against-it/#comment-45869</link>
		<dc:creator>BigAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas,

I agree with the fact that we must stop radical extremist terrorists(and Islamic fundamentalists are the biggest problem of this type that we currently face in the world).  

Those people are crazy man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>I agree with the fact that we must stop radical extremist terrorists(and Islamic fundamentalists are the biggest problem of this type that we currently face in the world).  </p>
<p>Those people are crazy man!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/we-voted-for-the-war-before-we-voted-against-it/#comment-45866</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps.  I said, &quot;And as such, we should broadcast our strategies across the airwaves.&quot;

I meant &quot;we should not&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps.  I said, &#8220;And as such, we should broadcast our strategies across the airwaves.&#8221;</p>
<p>I meant &#8220;we should not&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/we-voted-for-the-war-before-we-voted-against-it/#comment-45865</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;That’s not a strategy, that’s a consequence or result of what happens when you are successful at destroying an enemy.&lt;/em&gt;

When I referred to bin Laden&#039;s statement as a strategy, I misspoke.  It is a tactic.  Clausewitz&#039;s On War says that one tactic a defending army can use is to trade space/land for time.  That is exactly what bin Laden and his fellow travelers did.

We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq while al Qaeda and the Baathists withdrew trading the territory they held in Afghanistan with the Taliban for time.  Time was on their side, but not on ours.

As Ralph Peters and Victor Hanson has pointed out, democracies are great at revenge, but not lousy on pre-emption.

&lt;em&gt;It’s like Bush saying:

we’re gonna get ‘em on the run, and find them, and kill them.

That would be a desired result, not a strategy.

A strategy would be: we’re going to do the following things, and if we are successful, the result will be them being on the run, us finding them, and killing them.&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t fault Bush much with these kinds of statements.  It&#039;s a given that the Bush Administration has a natural reticence for any kind of communication, but I don&#039;t find that a handicap when it comes to these kinds of matters.  

We are fighting an intelligence war.  Most of our actions must be, of necessity, covert.  And as such, we should broadcast our strategies across the airwaves.  It&#039;ll be like telling a cockroach, &quot;Stay right where you are &#039;cause I&#039;m gonna squash you like... like a cock-a-roach!&quot;  More than likely, your targets will conduct evasive maneuvers and you&#039;d have to come up with something else.  

Personally, I want my President to be vague in discussing these matters.  I just wish President Bush was more articulate in front of the camera...

It seems we disagree fundamentally about how to conduct this war, BigAl, and we advocate two very distinct strategies on how to go about it.  One strategy advocates keeping the war at a low level conflict, the other strategy advocates a broader conception of the war.  However, perhaps we can agree that Radical Islamic Fundamentalism is bad and must be stopped.  Perhaps we can also agree that this will be a long drawn out war (even if it is conducted out of sight on a strictly on a covert operations basis).

BigAl, I&#039;m trying to find some common ground here.  There has got to be some things we agree about in this war, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>That’s not a strategy, that’s a consequence or result of what happens when you are successful at destroying an enemy.</em></p>
<p>When I referred to bin Laden&#8217;s statement as a strategy, I misspoke.  It is a tactic.  Clausewitz&#8217;s On War says that one tactic a defending army can use is to trade space/land for time.  That is exactly what bin Laden and his fellow travelers did.</p>
<p>We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq while al Qaeda and the Baathists withdrew trading the territory they held in Afghanistan with the Taliban for time.  Time was on their side, but not on ours.</p>
<p>As Ralph Peters and Victor Hanson has pointed out, democracies are great at revenge, but not lousy on pre-emption.</p>
<p><em>It’s like Bush saying:</p>
<p>we’re gonna get ‘em on the run, and find them, and kill them.</p>
<p>That would be a desired result, not a strategy.</p>
<p>A strategy would be: we’re going to do the following things, and if we are successful, the result will be them being on the run, us finding them, and killing them.</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t fault Bush much with these kinds of statements.  It&#8217;s a given that the Bush Administration has a natural reticence for any kind of communication, but I don&#8217;t find that a handicap when it comes to these kinds of matters.  </p>
<p>We are fighting an intelligence war.  Most of our actions must be, of necessity, covert.  And as such, we should broadcast our strategies across the airwaves.  It&#8217;ll be like telling a cockroach, &#8220;Stay right where you are &#8217;cause I&#8217;m gonna squash you like&#8230; like a cock-a-roach!&#8221;  More than likely, your targets will conduct evasive maneuvers and you&#8217;d have to come up with something else.  </p>
<p>Personally, I want my President to be vague in discussing these matters.  I just wish President Bush was more articulate in front of the camera&#8230;</p>
<p>It seems we disagree fundamentally about how to conduct this war, BigAl, and we advocate two very distinct strategies on how to go about it.  One strategy advocates keeping the war at a low level conflict, the other strategy advocates a broader conception of the war.  However, perhaps we can agree that Radical Islamic Fundamentalism is bad and must be stopped.  Perhaps we can also agree that this will be a long drawn out war (even if it is conducted out of sight on a strictly on a covert operations basis).</p>
<p>BigAl, I&#8217;m trying to find some common ground here.  There has got to be some things we agree about in this war, right?</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/we-voted-for-the-war-before-we-voted-against-it/#comment-45863</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big doesn&#039;t even have a plan and he is talking about bad ones.

There&#039;s more than that that you would benefit from remembering, B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big doesn&#8217;t even have a plan and he is talking about bad ones.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more than that that you would benefit from remembering, B.</p>
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		<title>By: BigAL</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/we-voted-for-the-war-before-we-voted-against-it/#comment-45860</link>
		<dc:creator>BigAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>W]e made a great mistake in the beginning of our struggle, and I fear, in spite of all we can do, it will prove to be a fatal mistake. We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and all our best generals to edit the newspapers


That is great Dennis, I will have to remember this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W]e made a great mistake in the beginning of our struggle, and I fear, in spite of all we can do, it will prove to be a fatal mistake. We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and all our best generals to edit the newspapers</p>
<p>That is great Dennis, I will have to remember this one.</p>
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		<title>By: BigAL</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/we-voted-for-the-war-before-we-voted-against-it/#comment-45859</link>
		<dc:creator>BigAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s like Bush saying:

we&#039;re gonna get &#039;em on the run, and find them, and kill them.


That would be a desired result, not a strategy.

A strategy would be:  we&#039;re going to do the following things, and if we are successful, the result will be them being on the run, us finding them, and killing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s like Bush saying:</p>
<p>we&#8217;re gonna get &#8216;em on the run, and find them, and kill them.</p>
<p>That would be a desired result, not a strategy.</p>
<p>A strategy would be:  we&#8217;re going to do the following things, and if we are successful, the result will be them being on the run, us finding them, and killing them.</p>
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