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		<title>By: Ordersbriex</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/presidential-power-and-criminal-terrorists/#comment-111382</link>
		<dc:creator>Ordersbriex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tahnks for posting</description>
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		<title>By: Right Wing Nut House &#187; THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/presidential-power-and-criminal-terrorists/#comment-46573</link>
		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nut House &#187; THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The votes are in from this Week&#8217;s Watchers Council and the winner in the Council category is &#8220;Earth Day&#8221; by Done With Mirrors. Finishing second was &#8220;Presidential Power and Criminal Terrorists&#8221; by Bookworm Room. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The votes are in from this Week&#8217;s Watchers Council and the winner in the Council category is &#8220;Earth Day&#8221; by Done With Mirrors. Finishing second was &#8220;Presidential Power and Criminal Terrorists&#8221; by Bookworm Room. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/presidential-power-and-criminal-terrorists/#comment-46294</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 21:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read 1634 the Baltic War by Eric Flint, he portrays the ransom thing as purely a function of greed. Soldiers won&#039;t kill captives and will safeguard their lives cause they want the money, because the loot system back then was that whatever ransom was acquired from a captive, goes primarily to the soldiers that captured the prisoner. Course, the officers get their cut. Captain&#039;s share and all. (pirate system reference)

Don&#039;t know how many, but many Templar Knights refused to be ransomed when captured by Saladin, a Kurd, during Richard the Lionhearted&#039;s Crusade. Saladin executed them, probably using damascene steel scimitars, which were far superior to the swords that the Europeans used at the time. (European swords at that time weren&#039;t sharp enough to cut through a man&#039;s head like you saw on 300 Frank Miller version, so they were using nothing but brute strength, fanaticism, and the speed of the horse to get it dug in)

Regardless of the soldier vs combatant vs ransom vs non-ransom system, what was true back then was that if you violated the Rules of War, they no longer applied to you. This occured during the Peloponessian War between Athens and Sparta, when Athens refused to fight lawfully hoplite to hoplite against Sparta&#039;s ranks sitting outside their city walls. And it also occured whenever a city in medieval times, refused to surrender after their walls were breached. This led to Cromwell almost annihilating the city&#039;s population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read 1634 the Baltic War by Eric Flint, he portrays the ransom thing as purely a function of greed. Soldiers won&#8217;t kill captives and will safeguard their lives cause they want the money, because the loot system back then was that whatever ransom was acquired from a captive, goes primarily to the soldiers that captured the prisoner. Course, the officers get their cut. Captain&#8217;s share and all. (pirate system reference)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know how many, but many Templar Knights refused to be ransomed when captured by Saladin, a Kurd, during Richard the Lionhearted&#8217;s Crusade. Saladin executed them, probably using damascene steel scimitars, which were far superior to the swords that the Europeans used at the time. (European swords at that time weren&#8217;t sharp enough to cut through a man&#8217;s head like you saw on 300 Frank Miller version, so they were using nothing but brute strength, fanaticism, and the speed of the horse to get it dug in)</p>
<p>Regardless of the soldier vs combatant vs ransom vs non-ransom system, what was true back then was that if you violated the Rules of War, they no longer applied to you. This occured during the Peloponessian War between Athens and Sparta, when Athens refused to fight lawfully hoplite to hoplite against Sparta&#8217;s ranks sitting outside their city walls. And it also occured whenever a city in medieval times, refused to surrender after their walls were breached. This led to Cromwell almost annihilating the city&#8217;s population.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/presidential-power-and-criminal-terrorists/#comment-46289</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 20:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true, Y, that the medieval chivalric standard saw ransoms for POWs, but that was the rule only for the rich and powerful -- that is, for the knightly class.  Ordinary soldiers were not in look.  As Fabio says, ordinary soldiers often ended up as slaves, which is better than slaughter but, given the conditions of slavery (especially galley slaves) not much better, while the rank and file were often just killed.  If I remember my history well, Henry V was famous for solving the vexing problem of continued battle by killing opposing soldiers wholesale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true, Y, that the medieval chivalric standard saw ransoms for POWs, but that was the rule only for the rich and powerful &#8212; that is, for the knightly class.  Ordinary soldiers were not in look.  As Fabio says, ordinary soldiers often ended up as slaves, which is better than slaughter but, given the conditions of slavery (especially galley slaves) not much better, while the rank and file were often just killed.  If I remember my history well, Henry V was famous for solving the vexing problem of continued battle by killing opposing soldiers wholesale.</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/presidential-power-and-criminal-terrorists/#comment-46287</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 19:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Exchange of prisoners - with or without ransom - was the rule in warfare from Greek times at least.&lt;/b&gt;

Book said combatants, not soldiers. You know, like the Greek translator for the Persians, that the Athenians executed around the time of the Xerxes invasion.

Do people that think others are short on history, ever realize that there could be problems with their reading comprehension being shot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Exchange of prisoners &#8211; with or without ransom &#8211; was the rule in warfare from Greek times at least.</b></p>
<p>Book said combatants, not soldiers. You know, like the Greek translator for the Persians, that the Athenians executed around the time of the Xerxes invasion.</p>
<p>Do people that think others are short on history, ever realize that there could be problems with their reading comprehension being shot?</p>
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		<title>By: Fabio P.Barbieri</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/presidential-power-and-criminal-terrorists/#comment-46267</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabio P.Barbieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...the old system of dealing with captured enemy combatants — summary execution.&quot;

You are either short on history or joking.  Exchange of prisoners - with or without ransom - was the rule in warfare from Greek times at least.  On the rare occasions when it was broken, as with Syracuse&#039;s savage treatment of the captured Athenians, it was because the enemy was felt to have waged a war beyond the limits of legality and decency (in the case of Syracuse, the Athenians had attacked the city without provocation).  When the prisoners could not be exchanged or ransomed, they were sold as slaves.  The mass murder of enemy prisoners never features even in the darkest periods of Western history: one just has to remember the astonishment every historian feels at the single mention of Charlemagne executing 4000 Saxons - but the text is dubious, and even if he did, he had plenty of provocation - and the universal disgust which greeted, centuries later, Henry V&#039;s murder of prisoners at Azincourt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the old system of dealing with captured enemy combatants — summary execution.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are either short on history or joking.  Exchange of prisoners &#8211; with or without ransom &#8211; was the rule in warfare from Greek times at least.  On the rare occasions when it was broken, as with Syracuse&#8217;s savage treatment of the captured Athenians, it was because the enemy was felt to have waged a war beyond the limits of legality and decency (in the case of Syracuse, the Athenians had attacked the city without provocation).  When the prisoners could not be exchanged or ransomed, they were sold as slaves.  The mass murder of enemy prisoners never features even in the darkest periods of Western history: one just has to remember the astonishment every historian feels at the single mention of Charlemagne executing 4000 Saxons &#8211; but the text is dubious, and even if he did, he had plenty of provocation &#8211; and the universal disgust which greeted, centuries later, Henry V&#8217;s murder of prisoners at Azincourt.</p>
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		<title>By: Just in from the Council &#171; Bookworm Room</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/presidential-power-and-criminal-terrorists/#comment-45783</link>
		<dc:creator>Just in from the Council &#171; Bookworm Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] points out that climate change is as old as the earth itself. Second place went to me, for my post Presidential Power and Criminal Terrorists, in which I discussed the expansion of presidential powers during war time, and the reason I think [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] points out that climate change is as old as the earth itself. Second place went to me, for my post Presidential Power and Criminal Terrorists, in which I discussed the expansion of presidential powers during war time, and the reason I think [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Council Has Spoken!</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/presidential-power-and-criminal-terrorists/#comment-45775</link>
		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Council Has Spoken!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Done With Mirrors&#8217;s post, “Earth Day” (for which I voted). Second place honors went to Bookworm Room for “Presidential Power and Criminal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Done With Mirrors&#8217;s post, “Earth Day” (for which I voted). Second place honors went to Bookworm Room for “Presidential Power and Criminal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: C. Tennis</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/presidential-power-and-criminal-terrorists/#comment-45767</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Tennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like a bunch of name calling to me, bookworm.  Talk is cheap, life is short.  How about we focus on making this country better?  I don&#039;t care who voted for what three years ago.  This war is not working for anyone unless it is the young kids able to steal relief supplies in Iraq so they may grow up to hate and bomb our grand kids.

I am unhappy with anyone, Republican or Democrat, that voted funds and authority behind the war in Iraq, but name calling seems unproductive compared to turning this tide.

C. Tennis    
rural Washington</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a bunch of name calling to me, bookworm.  Talk is cheap, life is short.  How about we focus on making this country better?  I don&#8217;t care who voted for what three years ago.  This war is not working for anyone unless it is the young kids able to steal relief supplies in Iraq so they may grow up to hate and bomb our grand kids.</p>
<p>I am unhappy with anyone, Republican or Democrat, that voted funds and authority behind the war in Iraq, but name calling seems unproductive compared to turning this tide.</p>
<p>C. Tennis<br />
rural Washington</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/presidential-power-and-criminal-terrorists/#comment-45584</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;but I have a visceral dislike for retributive death, and that dislike just doesn’t respond to logic.&lt;/b&gt;

We&#039;re not at the point where retributive death is the only option we have. The Nazis used that cause they were lazy and/or incompetent at catching the partisans. We have thousands of partisans and agents that we know have killed people. Their executions will not be because of their &quot;buddies&quot; actions. Anymore than Saddam&#039;s execution was because we were pissed at the Baathists killing Americans, or the Iraqis and Kurds being pissed at their families being killed.

If you don&#039;t kill people who need killing, Book, then justice will not be served. And without justice, people will no longer obey the laws that are now too unjust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>but I have a visceral dislike for retributive death, and that dislike just doesn’t respond to logic.</b></p>
<p>We&#8217;re not at the point where retributive death is the only option we have. The Nazis used that cause they were lazy and/or incompetent at catching the partisans. We have thousands of partisans and agents that we know have killed people. Their executions will not be because of their &#8220;buddies&#8221; actions. Anymore than Saddam&#8217;s execution was because we were pissed at the Baathists killing Americans, or the Iraqis and Kurds being pissed at their families being killed.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t kill people who need killing, Book, then justice will not be served. And without justice, people will no longer obey the laws that are now too unjust.</p>
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