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	<description>She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast</description>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/europes-big-problem/#comment-35497</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>democracy itself is a virus.</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick O'Hannigan</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/europes-big-problem/#comment-35492</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick O'Hannigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, I think there&#039;s something to your virus theory. Sounds a lot like a recent comment by conservative radio host Michael Savage, who tagged Islamism as a &quot;retrovirus&quot; that only infects a body politic when its immune systems (meaning especially courts, police, and the education bureaucracy) are weak.

Bookworm, your smoking example resonates, too. This is such a great blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, I think there&#8217;s something to your virus theory. Sounds a lot like a recent comment by conservative radio host Michael Savage, who tagged Islamism as a &#8220;retrovirus&#8221; that only infects a body politic when its immune systems (meaning especially courts, police, and the education bureaucracy) are weak.</p>
<p>Bookworm, your smoking example resonates, too. This is such a great blog.</p>
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		<title>By: bereans</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/europes-big-problem/#comment-35382</link>
		<dc:creator>bereans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi BW,

I stop often to read, but don&#039;t get to comment.  Busy, busy stirring up my own trouble. :)  

Anyhow, I thought you might find this site interesting:

www.earthchurch.wordpress.com

Take care, 

-Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi BW,</p>
<p>I stop often to read, but don&#8217;t get to comment.  Busy, busy stirring up my own trouble. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Anyhow, I thought you might find this site interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.earthchurch.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.earthchurch.wordpress.com</a></p>
<p>Take care, </p>
<p>-Jack</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, 

It&#039;s hard for me to generalize on your virus theory, but in German there was a conscious effort to seek German identity in  Kultur after WWII. This gave the Kultur types far too much power, which allowed them to propagate their &quot;deep&quot; intellectual constructs as truth and intimidate the average folks. There is certainly a nostalgia for Germany as the land of thinkers and poets (Denker und Dichter). Part of the 68 rebellion was against rigid social forms, especially in the universities. However, they simply installed another upper class (radical artists and writer, professional protesters and do-gooders) without seriously analyzing what keeps a society together. 

With regard to the disappearance of democracy, I can&#039;t say for sure. The French and the Dutch did reject the EU constitution and people are starting to stand up to the PC police on multiculturalism.

The language thing seems to be a problem no one worries about. They use English mostly in Brussels for practical reasons, and they insist on national languages formally for reasons of national pride. I don&#039;t think anyone cares about communicating with the people. I do think EU matters get more coverage in some of the smaller countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard for me to generalize on your virus theory, but in German there was a conscious effort to seek German identity in  Kultur after WWII. This gave the Kultur types far too much power, which allowed them to propagate their &#8220;deep&#8221; intellectual constructs as truth and intimidate the average folks. There is certainly a nostalgia for Germany as the land of thinkers and poets (Denker und Dichter). Part of the 68 rebellion was against rigid social forms, especially in the universities. However, they simply installed another upper class (radical artists and writer, professional protesters and do-gooders) without seriously analyzing what keeps a society together. </p>
<p>With regard to the disappearance of democracy, I can&#8217;t say for sure. The French and the Dutch did reject the EU constitution and people are starting to stand up to the PC police on multiculturalism.</p>
<p>The language thing seems to be a problem no one worries about. They use English mostly in Brussels for practical reasons, and they insist on national languages formally for reasons of national pride. I don&#8217;t think anyone cares about communicating with the people. I do think EU matters get more coverage in some of the smaller countries.</p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/europes-big-problem/#comment-35359</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.operationdoubles.com/zoo-blog/2007/01/commission-for-promotion-of-virtue-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;The letter &quot;X&quot; soon may be banned in Saudi Arabia because it resembles the mother of all banned religious symbols in the oil kingdom: the cross.

The new development came with the issuing of another mind-bending fatwa, or religious edict, by the infamous Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice — the group of senior Islamic clergy that reigns supreme on all legal, civil, and governance matters in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

The commission&#039;s damning of the letter &quot;X&quot; came in response to a Ministry of Trade query about whether it should grant trademark protection to a Saudi businessman for a new service carrying the English name &quot;Explorer.&quot;

&quot;No! Nein! Nyet!&quot; was the commission&#039;s categorical answer.

Why?

Well, never mind that none of the so-called scholars manning the upper ranks of the religious outfit can speak or read a word of English. But their experts who examined the English word &quot;explorer&quot; were struck by how suspicious that &quot;X&quot; appeared. In a kingdom where Friday preachers routinely refer to Christians as pigs and infidel crusaders, even a twisted cross ranks as an abomination.

So after waiting a year, the Saudi businessman, Amru Mohammad Faisal, got his answer: No. But, like so many other Saudi businessmen who suffer from the travesties of the commission, he seemed more baffled than angry. He wrote letters to Saudi newspapers to criticize the cockamamie logic. An article he wrote appeared with his photograph on some Arabian Web sites. It sarcastically invited the commission to expand its edict to the &quot;plus&quot; sign in mathematics and accounting, in order &quot;to prevent filthy Christian conspiracies from infiltrating our thoughts, our beliefs, and our feelings.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.operationdoubles.com/zoo-blog/2007/01/commission-for-promotion-of-virtue-and.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p><b>The letter &#8220;X&#8221; soon may be banned in Saudi Arabia because it resembles the mother of all banned religious symbols in the oil kingdom: the cross.</p>
<p>The new development came with the issuing of another mind-bending fatwa, or religious edict, by the infamous Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice — the group of senior Islamic clergy that reigns supreme on all legal, civil, and governance matters in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.</p>
<p>The commission&#8217;s damning of the letter &#8220;X&#8221; came in response to a Ministry of Trade query about whether it should grant trademark protection to a Saudi businessman for a new service carrying the English name &#8220;Explorer.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No! Nein! Nyet!&#8221; was the commission&#8217;s categorical answer.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Well, never mind that none of the so-called scholars manning the upper ranks of the religious outfit can speak or read a word of English. But their experts who examined the English word &#8220;explorer&#8221; were struck by how suspicious that &#8220;X&#8221; appeared. In a kingdom where Friday preachers routinely refer to Christians as pigs and infidel crusaders, even a twisted cross ranks as an abomination.</p>
<p>So after waiting a year, the Saudi businessman, Amru Mohammad Faisal, got his answer: No. But, like so many other Saudi businessmen who suffer from the travesties of the commission, he seemed more baffled than angry. He wrote letters to Saudi newspapers to criticize the cockamamie logic. An article he wrote appeared with his photograph on some Arabian Web sites. It sarcastically invited the commission to expand its edict to the &#8220;plus&#8221; sign in mathematics and accounting, in order &#8220;to prevent filthy Christian conspiracies from infiltrating our thoughts, our beliefs, and our feelings.&#8221;</b></p>
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		<title>By: ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/europes-big-problem/#comment-35351</link>
		<dc:creator>ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expat, no way? A she? Come on ; )

I never would have guessed, and I&#039;ve been reading your comments on and off again for awhile now.

Thanks for giving us a worm&#039;s eye view into the disaster machine. It&#039;s good to correlate things data bits for later on.

While reading Gates of Fire, my views on feminity and masculinity was modified a little bit. It isn&#039;t about girly men. Feminism doesn&#039;t mean you have to be weak. Although feminists perhaps may have a different view of things.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2007/01/08/an-excerpt-from-the-gates-of-fire-by-steven-pressfield/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expat, no way? A she? Come on ; )</p>
<p>I never would have guessed, and I&#8217;ve been reading your comments on and off again for awhile now.</p>
<p>Thanks for giving us a worm&#8217;s eye view into the disaster machine. It&#8217;s good to correlate things data bits for later on.</p>
<p>While reading Gates of Fire, my views on feminity and masculinity was modified a little bit. It isn&#8217;t about girly men. Feminism doesn&#8217;t mean you have to be weak. Although feminists perhaps may have a different view of things.</p>
<p><a href="http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2007/01/08/an-excerpt-from-the-gates-of-fire-by-steven-pressfield/" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/europes-big-problem/#comment-35343</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a question for you expat, given that I &quot;left&quot; Europe many years ago whereas you have boots on the ground: I have a theory that political and historical cultures are like viruses - they imbed in societies and can be covered up for a while when societies are dynamic, but re-emerge when societies&#039; &quot;immune systems&quot; are weakened. Is European democracy disappearing as it reverts back to its historic aristrocratic hierarchies by default (with the EU bureacrats as the new aristocrats)? Here&#039;s another one - are the verbal emissions you cite deliberately garbled in order to lull the electorate to sleep as their rights are taken away, one by one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question for you expat, given that I &#8220;left&#8221; Europe many years ago whereas you have boots on the ground: I have a theory that political and historical cultures are like viruses &#8211; they imbed in societies and can be covered up for a while when societies are dynamic, but re-emerge when societies&#8217; &#8220;immune systems&#8221; are weakened. Is European democracy disappearing as it reverts back to its historic aristrocratic hierarchies by default (with the EU bureacrats as the new aristocrats)? Here&#8217;s another one &#8211; are the verbal emissions you cite deliberately garbled in order to lull the electorate to sleep as their rights are taken away, one by one?</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/europes-big-problem/#comment-35339</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great article. A couple of extra points:

Europeans tend to have a utopian attitude toward the EU that prevents them from recognizing its democratic deficits. The former German president and chief judge of the high court published an article on this last Sunday. Eight of 10 laws passed in Germany are simply implementations of EU regulations. There is practically no debate. Furthermore, to avoid public scrutiny, individual countries get the EU to enact measures that they know would not pass in their own parliaments. The parliaments are presented with a fait accompli and a deadline for turning these EU measures into national law. 

I watch a lot of parliament debates on Germany&#039;s C-SPAN equivalent, but on those rare occasions when something from the EU parliament is broadcast, I can barely watch. Why? Because of the horrible simultaneous translations that are transmitted at about the same loudness as the original speech. This is just a bottom up observation about how difficult it is even for interested people to follow EU happenings. The language differences mean that these happenings are &quot;interpretted&quot; by local MSM.

Meister cited the Abu Ghraib scandal as an excuse for ignoring Rwanda. It&#039;s even worse than that. About a year ago and EU group reported on the horrible detention conditions for asylum seekers in the basement of the Palais de Justice in Paris. We are talking rats, violence, suicides. There were no covers on Der Spiegel, no demonstrations by human rights activist outside the French Embassy, and no follow up reports. The Europeans don&#039;t want to know about their own failings. They need the feeling of moral superiority.

BTW, expat is a she.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great article. A couple of extra points:</p>
<p>Europeans tend to have a utopian attitude toward the EU that prevents them from recognizing its democratic deficits. The former German president and chief judge of the high court published an article on this last Sunday. Eight of 10 laws passed in Germany are simply implementations of EU regulations. There is practically no debate. Furthermore, to avoid public scrutiny, individual countries get the EU to enact measures that they know would not pass in their own parliaments. The parliaments are presented with a fait accompli and a deadline for turning these EU measures into national law. </p>
<p>I watch a lot of parliament debates on Germany&#8217;s C-SPAN equivalent, but on those rare occasions when something from the EU parliament is broadcast, I can barely watch. Why? Because of the horrible simultaneous translations that are transmitted at about the same loudness as the original speech. This is just a bottom up observation about how difficult it is even for interested people to follow EU happenings. The language differences mean that these happenings are &#8220;interpretted&#8221; by local MSM.</p>
<p>Meister cited the Abu Ghraib scandal as an excuse for ignoring Rwanda. It&#8217;s even worse than that. About a year ago and EU group reported on the horrible detention conditions for asylum seekers in the basement of the Palais de Justice in Paris. We are talking rats, violence, suicides. There were no covers on Der Spiegel, no demonstrations by human rights activist outside the French Embassy, and no follow up reports. The Europeans don&#8217;t want to know about their own failings. They need the feeling of moral superiority.</p>
<p>BTW, expat is a she.</p>
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		<title>By: swampacreage</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/europes-big-problem/#comment-35322</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget the cutesey semantics.Words are meant to be profund not confound. Let me cut to the chase . . bottom line  . . blah blah . . . Europe is a SHEOCRACY . .  run by a bunch of uptight &quot;girlie men&quot;(Arnold rocks) who sit when doing # 1. Whereas Americans persue happiness (which I think they interpreted to mean make $oney anyway they can ) and carry guns just in case the governmet gets uppity or anyone else. Don&#039;t mess with or test them or bye bye (Japan and Saddam ) Hey that rhymes . . now I&#039;m being just plain silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget the cutesey semantics.Words are meant to be profund not confound. Let me cut to the chase . . bottom line  . . blah blah . . . Europe is a SHEOCRACY . .  run by a bunch of uptight &#8220;girlie men&#8221;(Arnold rocks) who sit when doing # 1. Whereas Americans persue happiness (which I think they interpreted to mean make $oney anyway they can ) and carry guns just in case the governmet gets uppity or anyone else. Don&#8217;t mess with or test them or bye bye (Japan and Saddam ) Hey that rhymes . . now I&#8217;m being just plain silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/europes-big-problem/#comment-35318</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fine post, Bookworm. I would only have edited the very last line as follows: &quot;And as long as it’s merely reacting, it’s not thinking (they don&#039;t need to think...) about things nor is it taking (do they have to take...) responsibility for its (their) conduct.&quot; The European mindset is all about not having to confront unpleasant realities, thereby making them ever more likely to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fine post, Bookworm. I would only have edited the very last line as follows: &#8220;And as long as it’s merely reacting, it’s not thinking (they don&#8217;t need to think&#8230;) about things nor is it taking (do they have to take&#8230;) responsibility for its (their) conduct.&#8221; The European mindset is all about not having to confront unpleasant realities, thereby making them ever more likely to happen.</p>
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