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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm ... let&#039;s think who benefits from the authoritarian measures that the WSJ lauds? Oh, and just asking, but why is that the WALL STREET JOURNAL is not, to the conservative mind, a member of the mainstream media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm &#8230; let&#8217;s think who benefits from the authoritarian measures that the WSJ lauds? Oh, and just asking, but why is that the WALL STREET JOURNAL is not, to the conservative mind, a member of the mainstream media?</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/11/06/news-you-cant-trust/#comment-16756</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 03:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short answer, no.

If you want the net out, read the end. Which would be.

&lt;B&gt;Great article, Bookworm. I think Neo would it fascinating, because she was the one always interested in Vietnam affectations.&lt;/b&gt;

Not that hard.

I don&#039;t work for any sales manager, so I&#039;m not getting paid to net anything out. No incentive for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short answer, no.</p>
<p>If you want the net out, read the end. Which would be.</p>
<p><b>Great article, Bookworm. I think Neo would it fascinating, because she was the one always interested in Vietnam affectations.</b></p>
<p>Not that hard.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t work for any sales manager, so I&#8217;m not getting paid to net anything out. No incentive for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ymarsakar,
I love ya man, and your comments are always insightful. But could you net it out, as my old sales manager used to say. 
I&#039;ve got to get off the computer and take care of other things.
And I know you are going to vote tomorrow. We should have lots to discuss then
Al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar,<br />
I love ya man, and your comments are always insightful. But could you net it out, as my old sales manager used to say.<br />
I&#8217;ve got to get off the computer and take care of other things.<br />
And I know you are going to vote tomorrow. We should have lots to discuss then<br />
Al</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking about Ramsey Clark, Neo has a pretty comprehensive post about him early ago.

http://neo-neocon.blogspot.com/2005/11/ramsey-clark-rides-again.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking about Ramsey Clark, Neo has a pretty comprehensive post about him early ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://neo-neocon.blogspot.com/2005/11/ramsey-clark-rides-again.html" rel="nofollow">http://neo-neocon.blogspot.com/2005/11/ramsey-clark-rides-again.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Others do not share his view. When Douglas Kinnard questioned more than 100 American generals who served in Vietnam, 92% said that newspaper coverage was often irresponsible or disruptive, and 96% said that television coverage on balance lacked context and was sensational or counterproductive.

An analysis of CBS&#039;s Vietnam coverage in 1972 and 1973 supports their views. The Institute for American Strategy found that, of about 800 references to American policy and behavior, 81% were critical. Of 164 references to North Vietnamese policy and behavior, 57% were supportive. Another study, by a scholar skeptical about the extent of media influence, showed that televised editorial comments before Tet were favorable to our presence by a ratio of 4 to 1; after Tet, they were 2 to 1 against the American government&#039;s policy.

Opinion polls taken in 1968 suggest that before the press reports on the Tet offensive, 28% of the public identified themselves as doves; by March, after the offensive was over, 42% said they were doves.&lt;/b&gt;
Another thing that happens when you fight the wrong enemy, while ignoring your logistical base.

&lt;B&gt;Vietnam was the first war in which television was available to a mass audience, and, as both critics and admirers of TV unite in saying, television brings the war home in often unsettling graphic images.&lt;/b&gt;

So does YouTube, but the best pro-American stuff are on there, not in the news.

&lt;B&gt; When David Halberstam of the New York Times wrote stories criticizing the South Vietnamese government, Kennedy tried to have him fired because he was calling attention to a war that we did not want to admit we were fighting.&lt;/b&gt;

Good idea, always try and get a lock on the media, because they can threaten your power base and thus lose you the war. Course, it was a moot point for Kennedy, him not being alive for long that is.

&lt;B&gt;Johnson was willing to say that we were fighting, but without any cost and with rosy prospects for an early victory.&lt;/b&gt;

Johnson was one of those &quot;compassionate&quot; dudes who broke down crying when he heard the casualty lists. Useless, man was so stricken with guilt he was totally ineffective. Better Kennedy than this guy.

&lt;B&gt;satisfy hawks (with more troops and more bombing), and control the tactical details of the war from the Oval Office.&lt;/b&gt;

Cause he was a sissy and didn&#039;t want to see any American deaths roll up on his desk.

&lt;B&gt;After the Cam Ne report from Morley Safer, Johnson called the head of CBS and berated him in language I will not repeat here.&lt;/b&gt;

Should have done as Kennedy did, try and get him fired. Media respects power, just like terroists. Nothing else will change their behavior.

&lt;B&gt;When Richard Nixon became president, he wanted to end the war by pulling out American troops, and he did so. None of the three presidents wanted to win, but all wanted to report &quot;progress.&quot; All three administrations instructed military commanders always to report gains and rely on suspect body counts as a way of measuring progress. The press quickly understood that they could not trust politicians and high-level military officers.&lt;/b&gt;

I think they already knew this.

&lt;B&gt;Second, unlike either World War II or the Korean conflict, there was a radical peace movement in America, much of it growing out of the New Left.&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s what happens when you have a Cold War, the other guy sends in his agent provacateurs.

&lt;B&gt;Attorney General Ramsey Clark said that there was neither crime nor internal conflict there.&lt;/b&gt;

My, My. From wiki.

&lt;B&gt;On March 2, 1967, President Johnson appointed him to be Attorney General of the United States, an appointment probably influenced by Johnson&#039;s expectation that Clark&#039;s father, Associate Justice Tom C. Clark, would resign from the Supreme Court to avoid a conflict of interest. Johnson wanted a vacancy to be created on the Court so he could appoint Thurgood Marshall, the first African American justice. The elder Clark resigned from the supreme court on June 12, 1967.&lt;/b&gt;

This is what happens Johnson, when you pock around in a war with politics.

Ain&#039;t doing anyone any favors.

&lt;B&gt;Following his term he worked as a law professor and was active in the anti–Vietnam War movement. He visited North Vietnam in 1972. In 1974 he was the Democratic Party&#039;s candidate for the United States Senate from New York, losing to Jacob Javits.&lt;/b&gt;

Go ahead, invite all the insurgents into your administration, Johnson, I&#039;m sure they will help you avoid American casualties.

It is like Bush appointing Valerie Plame as the NSA adviser.

&lt;B&gt;Impeachment will determine whether the American people will hold the Bush administration accountable for its High Crimes and Misdemeanors&quot; [1]. Clark is the founder of the International Action Center. It holds significant overlapping membership with the Workers&#039; World Party. Clark and the IAC helped found the protest organization A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism).&lt;/b&gt;

No wonder Johnson messed up the war. With friends like these.

&lt;B&gt;Hence, in 2004, Clark joined the defense team in Saddam Hussein&#039;s trial before the Iraqi Special Tribunal. Clark returned to Iraq in late November 2005 to appear before the Iraqi Special Tribunal arguing &quot;that it failed to respect basic human rights and was illegal because it was formed as a consequence of the United States&#039; illegal war of aggression against the people of Iraq.&quot; On November 28, 2005 in a BBC interview while defending Saddam, Clark claimed that some of the massacres which the former Iraqi President was accused of ordering were done out of necessity, saying: &quot;He [Saddam] had this huge war going on, and you have to act firmly when you have an assassination attempt&quot; [2].&lt;/b&gt;

And Johnson appointed this guy as the Attorney General, in charge of seeking out corruption and unethical practices in America? No wonder the Democrats were idiots.

I knew his name sounded familiar.

&lt;B&gt;Considering what happened to the Vietnamese and the Cambodians after the last American act of cowardice, it’s shockingly immoral that the media should be attempting to use its vast power to create precisely the same outcome.&lt;/b&gt;

Not immoral to Clark, Bookworm, not immoral to Clark. Righteous and uplifting.

&lt;B&gt;Today, strong owners are almost all gone. When Henry Luce died, Time magazine&#039;s support for an assertive American foreign policy died with him. William Paley had worked hard to make CBS a supporter of the Vietnam War, but he could not prevent Walter Cronkite from making his famous statement, on the evening news show of Feb. 19, 1968, that the war had become a &quot;stalemate&quot; that had to be ended, and so we must &quot;negotiate.&quot; On hearing these remarks, President Johnson decided that the country would no longer support the war and that he should not run for reelection. Over three decades later, Mr. Cronkite made the same mistake: We must, he said, get out of Iraq now.&lt;/b&gt;

So many traitors and so many immunities from punishment. Waiting for them to die out is as futile as waiting for Castro to die out, and as destructive as waiting for Arafat to die out.

&lt;B&gt;Other media companies, once run by their founders and principal owners, are now run by professional managers who report to directors interested in profits, not policy. Policy is the province of the editors and reporters, who are governed by their personal views, many of them acquired not by having once covered the police beat but from a college education. By 1978, 93% of the top reporters and editors had college degrees.&lt;/b&gt;

Let&#039;s repeat what the Left says. Big Business controls the newspapers, and BB is for the Republicans. Come on, let&#039;s chant it now.

&lt;B&gt;As a consequence of this struggle, radio, magazines, and newspapers are engaged in niche marketing, seeking to mobilize not a broad market but a specialized one, either liberal or conservative.&lt;/b&gt;

Not good, but not bad either. Could be worse, could be like Vietnam.

&lt;B&gt;Thanks to the power of these media organs, reduced but still enormous, many Americans are coming to see the Iraq War as Vietnam redux.&lt;/b&gt;

With one strike they can be crippled mortally. Restrict all administration information sources from dealing with the press, unless specifically authorized as fair.

These media organs are vulnerable, simply because organs are not protected like muscle and bone are by density. The organs need information, blood, without that information, they die on the vine.

&lt;B&gt;That suspicion, fueled in part by the Vietnam and Watergate controversies, means that the government, especially if it is a conservative one, is surrounded by journalists who doubt almost all it says.&lt;/b&gt;

People should doubt, especially themselves. What the media does is not &quot;doubt&quot;, but &quot;active disbelief&quot;. The same disbelief someone would have at hearing a crackpot.

&lt;B&gt;This change in the media is not a transitory one that will give way to a return to the support of our military when it fights. Journalism, like so much scholarship, now dwells in a postmodern age in which truth is hard to find and statements merely serve someone&#039;s interests.&lt;/b&gt;

Power is still power, people, even if it has translated from the sword to the pen. Even so, you can still fight their power by sucking them of all information sources. It uses cloak and daggers techniques, misinformation and limitation of enemy sources, etc, but then again, we are talking about a domestic insurgency. Intelligence is the best way to fight against such.
****

Great article, Bookworm. I think Neo would it fascinating, because she was the one always interested in Vietnam affectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Others do not share his view. When Douglas Kinnard questioned more than 100 American generals who served in Vietnam, 92% said that newspaper coverage was often irresponsible or disruptive, and 96% said that television coverage on balance lacked context and was sensational or counterproductive.</p>
<p>An analysis of CBS&#8217;s Vietnam coverage in 1972 and 1973 supports their views. The Institute for American Strategy found that, of about 800 references to American policy and behavior, 81% were critical. Of 164 references to North Vietnamese policy and behavior, 57% were supportive. Another study, by a scholar skeptical about the extent of media influence, showed that televised editorial comments before Tet were favorable to our presence by a ratio of 4 to 1; after Tet, they were 2 to 1 against the American government&#8217;s policy.</p>
<p>Opinion polls taken in 1968 suggest that before the press reports on the Tet offensive, 28% of the public identified themselves as doves; by March, after the offensive was over, 42% said they were doves.</b><br />
Another thing that happens when you fight the wrong enemy, while ignoring your logistical base.</p>
<p><b>Vietnam was the first war in which television was available to a mass audience, and, as both critics and admirers of TV unite in saying, television brings the war home in often unsettling graphic images.</b></p>
<p>So does YouTube, but the best pro-American stuff are on there, not in the news.</p>
<p><b> When David Halberstam of the New York Times wrote stories criticizing the South Vietnamese government, Kennedy tried to have him fired because he was calling attention to a war that we did not want to admit we were fighting.</b></p>
<p>Good idea, always try and get a lock on the media, because they can threaten your power base and thus lose you the war. Course, it was a moot point for Kennedy, him not being alive for long that is.</p>
<p><b>Johnson was willing to say that we were fighting, but without any cost and with rosy prospects for an early victory.</b></p>
<p>Johnson was one of those &#8220;compassionate&#8221; dudes who broke down crying when he heard the casualty lists. Useless, man was so stricken with guilt he was totally ineffective. Better Kennedy than this guy.</p>
<p><b>satisfy hawks (with more troops and more bombing), and control the tactical details of the war from the Oval Office.</b></p>
<p>Cause he was a sissy and didn&#8217;t want to see any American deaths roll up on his desk.</p>
<p><b>After the Cam Ne report from Morley Safer, Johnson called the head of CBS and berated him in language I will not repeat here.</b></p>
<p>Should have done as Kennedy did, try and get him fired. Media respects power, just like terroists. Nothing else will change their behavior.</p>
<p><b>When Richard Nixon became president, he wanted to end the war by pulling out American troops, and he did so. None of the three presidents wanted to win, but all wanted to report &#8220;progress.&#8221; All three administrations instructed military commanders always to report gains and rely on suspect body counts as a way of measuring progress. The press quickly understood that they could not trust politicians and high-level military officers.</b></p>
<p>I think they already knew this.</p>
<p><b>Second, unlike either World War II or the Korean conflict, there was a radical peace movement in America, much of it growing out of the New Left.</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s what happens when you have a Cold War, the other guy sends in his agent provacateurs.</p>
<p><b>Attorney General Ramsey Clark said that there was neither crime nor internal conflict there.</b></p>
<p>My, My. From wiki.</p>
<p><b>On March 2, 1967, President Johnson appointed him to be Attorney General of the United States, an appointment probably influenced by Johnson&#8217;s expectation that Clark&#8217;s father, Associate Justice Tom C. Clark, would resign from the Supreme Court to avoid a conflict of interest. Johnson wanted a vacancy to be created on the Court so he could appoint Thurgood Marshall, the first African American justice. The elder Clark resigned from the supreme court on June 12, 1967.</b></p>
<p>This is what happens Johnson, when you pock around in a war with politics.</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t doing anyone any favors.</p>
<p><b>Following his term he worked as a law professor and was active in the anti–Vietnam War movement. He visited North Vietnam in 1972. In 1974 he was the Democratic Party&#8217;s candidate for the United States Senate from New York, losing to Jacob Javits.</b></p>
<p>Go ahead, invite all the insurgents into your administration, Johnson, I&#8217;m sure they will help you avoid American casualties.</p>
<p>It is like Bush appointing Valerie Plame as the NSA adviser.</p>
<p><b>Impeachment will determine whether the American people will hold the Bush administration accountable for its High Crimes and Misdemeanors&#8221; [1]. Clark is the founder of the International Action Center. It holds significant overlapping membership with the Workers&#8217; World Party. Clark and the IAC helped found the protest organization A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism).</b></p>
<p>No wonder Johnson messed up the war. With friends like these.</p>
<p><b>Hence, in 2004, Clark joined the defense team in Saddam Hussein&#8217;s trial before the Iraqi Special Tribunal. Clark returned to Iraq in late November 2005 to appear before the Iraqi Special Tribunal arguing &#8220;that it failed to respect basic human rights and was illegal because it was formed as a consequence of the United States&#8217; illegal war of aggression against the people of Iraq.&#8221; On November 28, 2005 in a BBC interview while defending Saddam, Clark claimed that some of the massacres which the former Iraqi President was accused of ordering were done out of necessity, saying: &#8220;He [Saddam] had this huge war going on, and you have to act firmly when you have an assassination attempt&#8221; [2].</b></p>
<p>And Johnson appointed this guy as the Attorney General, in charge of seeking out corruption and unethical practices in America? No wonder the Democrats were idiots.</p>
<p>I knew his name sounded familiar.</p>
<p><b>Considering what happened to the Vietnamese and the Cambodians after the last American act of cowardice, it’s shockingly immoral that the media should be attempting to use its vast power to create precisely the same outcome.</b></p>
<p>Not immoral to Clark, Bookworm, not immoral to Clark. Righteous and uplifting.</p>
<p><b>Today, strong owners are almost all gone. When Henry Luce died, Time magazine&#8217;s support for an assertive American foreign policy died with him. William Paley had worked hard to make CBS a supporter of the Vietnam War, but he could not prevent Walter Cronkite from making his famous statement, on the evening news show of Feb. 19, 1968, that the war had become a &#8220;stalemate&#8221; that had to be ended, and so we must &#8220;negotiate.&#8221; On hearing these remarks, President Johnson decided that the country would no longer support the war and that he should not run for reelection. Over three decades later, Mr. Cronkite made the same mistake: We must, he said, get out of Iraq now.</b></p>
<p>So many traitors and so many immunities from punishment. Waiting for them to die out is as futile as waiting for Castro to die out, and as destructive as waiting for Arafat to die out.</p>
<p><b>Other media companies, once run by their founders and principal owners, are now run by professional managers who report to directors interested in profits, not policy. Policy is the province of the editors and reporters, who are governed by their personal views, many of them acquired not by having once covered the police beat but from a college education. By 1978, 93% of the top reporters and editors had college degrees.</b></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s repeat what the Left says. Big Business controls the newspapers, and BB is for the Republicans. Come on, let&#8217;s chant it now.</p>
<p><b>As a consequence of this struggle, radio, magazines, and newspapers are engaged in niche marketing, seeking to mobilize not a broad market but a specialized one, either liberal or conservative.</b></p>
<p>Not good, but not bad either. Could be worse, could be like Vietnam.</p>
<p><b>Thanks to the power of these media organs, reduced but still enormous, many Americans are coming to see the Iraq War as Vietnam redux.</b></p>
<p>With one strike they can be crippled mortally. Restrict all administration information sources from dealing with the press, unless specifically authorized as fair.</p>
<p>These media organs are vulnerable, simply because organs are not protected like muscle and bone are by density. The organs need information, blood, without that information, they die on the vine.</p>
<p><b>That suspicion, fueled in part by the Vietnam and Watergate controversies, means that the government, especially if it is a conservative one, is surrounded by journalists who doubt almost all it says.</b></p>
<p>People should doubt, especially themselves. What the media does is not &#8220;doubt&#8221;, but &#8220;active disbelief&#8221;. The same disbelief someone would have at hearing a crackpot.</p>
<p><b>This change in the media is not a transitory one that will give way to a return to the support of our military when it fights. Journalism, like so much scholarship, now dwells in a postmodern age in which truth is hard to find and statements merely serve someone&#8217;s interests.</b></p>
<p>Power is still power, people, even if it has translated from the sword to the pen. Even so, you can still fight their power by sucking them of all information sources. It uses cloak and daggers techniques, misinformation and limitation of enemy sources, etc, but then again, we are talking about a domestic insurgency. Intelligence is the best way to fight against such.<br />
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<p>Great article, Bookworm. I think Neo would it fascinating, because she was the one always interested in Vietnam affectations.</p>
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		<title>By: CPT. Charles</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll keep my message short...

Make bin Laden cry like a little girl...vote Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll keep my message short&#8230;</p>
<p>Make bin Laden cry like a little girl&#8230;vote Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;We are told by careful pollsters that half of the American people believe that American troops should be brought home from Iraq immediately. This news discourages supporters of our efforts there. Not me, though: I am relieved. Given press coverage of our efforts in Iraq, I am surprised that 90% of the public do not want us out right now.&lt;/b&gt;

As with Europe and France, it takes more than a biased media working hand in hand with the socialized welfare, in order to break the back and spirit of the populace. It takes welfare, from cradle to grave. It takes enforced minimum wages. It takes breaking the 2nd Ammendment or its equivalent, as well as deforming the First Ammendment with laws and loopholes called multiculturalism and political correctness. Losing wars are also required to ready a population for the collar, but then Vietnam counts for that pre-req.

Vote Democrat, if you want to break America. I hear that&#039;s pretty fashonable now a days in the dawn of the 21st century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>We are told by careful pollsters that half of the American people believe that American troops should be brought home from Iraq immediately. This news discourages supporters of our efforts there. Not me, though: I am relieved. Given press coverage of our efforts in Iraq, I am surprised that 90% of the public do not want us out right now.</b></p>
<p>As with Europe and France, it takes more than a biased media working hand in hand with the socialized welfare, in order to break the back and spirit of the populace. It takes welfare, from cradle to grave. It takes enforced minimum wages. It takes breaking the 2nd Ammendment or its equivalent, as well as deforming the First Ammendment with laws and loopholes called multiculturalism and political correctness. Losing wars are also required to ready a population for the collar, but then Vietnam counts for that pre-req.</p>
<p>Vote Democrat, if you want to break America. I hear that&#8217;s pretty fashonable now a days in the dawn of the 21st century.</p>
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