Comments on: The politics behind Mark Foley’s exposure http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/ She escaped from the belly of the liberal beast Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:52:35 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Ymarsakar http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12796 Ymarsakar Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:07:49 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12796 Guilt motivated Foley to support better protections against minors, not only because of his sexual orientation but because of his personal experiences. And of course he knows and is guilty to know, that there are other people like him in the world, without his restraint. The same guilt motivates McCain to be against torture. Simple analysis of human dynamics and behaviors are forbidden to such folk as dagon, it seems. Guilt motivated Foley to support better protections against minors, not only because of his sexual orientation but because of his personal experiences. And of course he knows and is guilty to know, that there are other people like him in the world, without his restraint. The same guilt motivates McCain to be against torture.

Simple analysis of human dynamics and behaviors are forbidden to such folk as dagon, it seems.

]]> By: dagon http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12702 dagon Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:17:23 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12702 danny "He tended to vote liberal..." ---NAME ONE EXAMPLE "...and his voting record on legal protections for minors was in direct contradiction to his private life." ---exactly! that's sort of the point about him being a hypocrit. using his position and influence to (potentially) skirt around laws that he himself was helping to strenghten. "No it turns out that he is an alcoholic and he claims to have been a victim of sexual molestation." ---he's just trying to paint himself as a victim to deflect any further damage. peace danny

“He tended to vote liberal…”

—NAME ONE EXAMPLE

“…and his voting record on legal protections for minors was in direct contradiction to his private life.”

—exactly! that’s sort of the point about him being a hypocrit. using his position and influence to (potentially) skirt around laws that he himself was helping to strenghten.

“No it turns out that he is an alcoholic and he claims to have been a victim of sexual molestation.”

—he’s just trying to paint himself as a victim to deflect any further damage.

peace

]]> By: Danny Lemieux http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12675 Danny Lemieux Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:33:29 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12675 I don't get it. Mark Foley was a closet gay with a prediliction for young boys. He tended to vote liberal and his voting record on legal protections for minors was in direct contradiction to his private life. No it turns out that he is an alcoholic and he claims to have been a victim of sexual molestation. I would have thought the Dems would consider him a swell guy. Who would of figured? I don’t get it. Mark Foley was a closet gay with a prediliction for young boys. He tended to vote liberal and his voting record on legal protections for minors was in direct contradiction to his private life. No it turns out that he is an alcoholic and he claims to have been a victim of sexual molestation. I would have thought the Dems would consider him a swell guy. Who would of figured?

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12621 Ymarsakar Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:49:23 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12621 Yes, I agree, the dems knew nothing. See no evil, hear no evil, and believe in no evil except the evil one must do to acquire power. Oh wait, that's not part of the saying, is it. Make a virtue of discretion. You are bad if you resign, and you are bad if you don't resign. Catch 22. Or shall we say Caught 22. Yes, I agree, the dems knew nothing. See no evil, hear no evil, and believe in no evil except the evil one must do to acquire power. Oh wait, that’s not part of the saying, is it.

Make a virtue of discretion. You are bad if you resign, and you are bad if you don’t resign. Catch 22. Or shall we say Caught 22.

]]> By: dagon http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12608 dagon Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:28:10 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12608 "I think the Republicans did the right thing, which was to say, we know there’s nothing wrong with what you did (to the extent we know what you did), but don’t do it again." --well, apparently boehner, roy blount, kirk fordham (who just resigned) and foley himself don't agree with you in terms of the extent of the damaging evidence that they had prior to all of the recent evidence coming out. so bad was what they DID KNOW (as long as 2 years ago according to fordham) was so bad that he had to BEG the republican leadership not to take stronger action and they let the situation percolate. THAT is why all of these people are resigning, not that foley did anything illegal (which remains to be seen as i'm sure you'll agree). "The big question is about the IMs. There is no reason to believe that the Republicans knew about the IMs before last week’s media revelation. Do you have more on that point? As to the IMs, what did people on both sides of the aisle know and when did they know it?" --the dems knew NOTHING. apparently the repubs knew enough that virtually everyone involved is resigning in discrace or running the other way as fast as they can. and that's a good question to ask yourself. if this was merely unseemly and NOT any kind of 'look the other way while this pervert talks sexy to teenage boys' situation, then why the hell are the republicans running from this to the degree that they are? as usual, more to come. the im's could only be the tip of the iceberg. peace “I think the Republicans did the right thing, which was to say, we know there’s nothing wrong with what you did (to the extent we know what you did), but don’t do it again.”

–well, apparently boehner, roy blount, kirk fordham (who just resigned) and foley himself don’t agree with you in terms of the extent of the damaging evidence that they had prior to all of the recent evidence coming out. so bad was what they DID KNOW (as long as 2 years ago according to fordham) was so bad that he had to BEG the republican leadership not to take stronger action and they let the situation percolate.

THAT is why all of these people are resigning, not that foley did anything illegal (which remains to be seen as i’m sure you’ll agree).

“The big question is about the IMs. There is no reason to believe that the Republicans knew about the IMs before last week’s media revelation. Do you have more on that point? As to the IMs, what did people on both sides of the aisle know and when did they know it?”

–the dems knew NOTHING. apparently the repubs knew enough that virtually everyone involved is resigning in discrace or running the other way as fast as they can. and that’s a good question to ask yourself. if this was merely unseemly and NOT any kind of ‘look the other way while this pervert talks sexy to teenage boys’ situation, then why the hell are the republicans running from this to the degree that they are?

as usual, more to come. the im’s could only be the tip of the iceberg.

peace

]]> By: Bookworm http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12606 Bookworm Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:50:40 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12606 Dagon: we're back to the emails, which had nothing in them! They fell into the "well!?" category, but that is not grounds to go on a convulsive witch hunt. I think the Republicans did the right thing, which was to say, we know there's nothing wrong with what you did (to the extent we know what you did), but don't do it again. The big question is about the IMs. There is no reason to believe that the Republicans knew about the IMs before last week's media revelation. Do you have more on that point? As to the IMs, what did people on both sides of the aisle know and when did they know it? Dagon: we’re back to the emails, which had nothing in them! They fell into the “well!?” category, but that is not grounds to go on a convulsive witch hunt. I think the Republicans did the right thing, which was to say, we know there’s nothing wrong with what you did (to the extent we know what you did), but don’t do it again. The big question is about the IMs. There is no reason to believe that the Republicans knew about the IMs before last week’s media revelation. Do you have more on that point? As to the IMs, what did people on both sides of the aisle know and when did they know it?

]]> By: dagon http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12605 dagon Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:14:52 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12605 for you book "FBI Knew in July About Foley E-Mails to Teen Meanwhile, Private Handling of Matter by a Few House Republicans Receives Bipartisan Criticism By Charles Babington and Jonathan Weisman Washington Post Staff Writers Tuesday, October 3, 2006; Page A11 The FBI acknowledged yesterday that it did not begin an investigation in late July after receiving copies of e-mails sent in 2005 by then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) to a Louisiana teenager -- messages that troubled the boy's parents. Key House Republicans learned of the e-mails in 2005 and chose to deal with Foley privately, warning him to cease contact with the 16-year-old former House page. Top aides to Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) did not inform him about the incident, Hastert said yesterday, and he defended their actions in a Capitol Hill news conference. Officials from the <b>liberal-leaning group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics</b> in Washington said yesterday that they received copies of the Louisiana e-mails on July 21 and <b>turned them over to the FBI the same day</b>. Melanie Sloan, the group's executive director, said she spoke with a special agent in the Washington field office, and she questioned yesterday why the FBI did not investigate Foley weeks ago." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200333.html peace for you book

“FBI Knew in July About Foley E-Mails to Teen
Meanwhile, Private Handling of Matter by a Few House Republicans Receives Bipartisan Criticism

By Charles Babington and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 3, 2006; Page A11

The FBI acknowledged yesterday that it did not begin an investigation in late July after receiving copies of e-mails sent in 2005 by then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) to a Louisiana teenager — messages that troubled the boy’s parents.

Key House Republicans learned of the e-mails in 2005 and chose to deal with Foley privately, warning him to cease contact with the 16-year-old former House page. Top aides to Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) did not inform him about the incident, Hastert said yesterday, and he defended their actions in a Capitol Hill news conference.

Officials from the liberal-leaning group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington said yesterday that they received copies of the Louisiana e-mails on July 21 and turned them over to the FBI the same day. Melanie Sloan, the group’s executive director, said she spoke with a special agent in the Washington field office, and she questioned yesterday why the FBI did not investigate Foley weeks ago.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200333.html

peace

]]> By: dagon http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12604 dagon Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:10:35 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12604 well, you understand wrong. the dems had NOTHING! a lefty web site had the im's but guess what they did? they turned them over to the fbi month's ago. try again peace well, you understand wrong. the dems had NOTHING!

a lefty web site had the im’s but guess what they did? they turned them over to the fbi month’s ago.

try again

peace

]]> By: Bookworm http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12601 Bookworm Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:49:55 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12601 Dagon, as I understand the facts, the Republicans had the emails, which are not grounds for anything, unless you want to assume (do you?) that all gay men who inquire about former or current youthful employees are pedophiles. As I also understand the facts, the Dems actually had the IMs, which are where the real sleazy stuff took place. Big dif. Dagon, as I understand the facts, the Republicans had the emails, which are not grounds for anything, unless you want to assume (do you?) that all gay men who inquire about former or current youthful employees are pedophiles. As I also understand the facts, the Dems actually had the IMs, which are where the real sleazy stuff took place. Big dif.

]]> By: dagon http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12599 dagon Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:47:23 +0000 http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-politics-behind-thomas-foleys-exposure/#comment-12599 more: [Aide Says He Warned Hastert Of Foley 2 Years Ago Get breaking news alerts (AP) WASHINGTON A senior congressional aide said Wednesday that he alerted the House Speaker Dennis Hastert's office in 2004 about worrisome conduct by former Rep. Mark Foley with teenage pages -- the earliest known alert to the GOP leadership. Kirk Fordham told The Associated Press that when he was told about Foley's inappropriate behavior toward pages, he had "more than one conversation with senior staff at the highest level of the House of Representatives asking them to intervene." The conversations took place long before the e-mail scandal broke, Fordham said, and at least a year earlier than members of the House GOP leadership have acknowledged.] http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/local_story_277155615.html peace more:

[Aide Says He Warned Hastert Of Foley 2 Years Ago
Get breaking news alerts

(AP) WASHINGTON A senior congressional aide said Wednesday that he alerted the House Speaker Dennis Hastert's office in 2004 about worrisome conduct by former Rep. Mark Foley with teenage pages -- the earliest known alert to the GOP leadership.

Kirk Fordham told The Associated Press that when he was told about Foley's inappropriate behavior toward pages, he had "more than one conversation with senior staff at the highest level of the House of Representatives asking them to intervene."

The conversations took place long before the e-mail scandal broke, Fordham said, and at least a year earlier than members of the House GOP leadership have acknowledged.]

http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/local_story_277155615.html

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