If you were living under a rock, you might not have heard that, the other day on The View, Rosie O’Donnell raised the specter of hoards of violent, extremist Christians who are a threat to every American. Even if you haven’t heard this latest bit of hysterical, relativistic claptrap, you can get all you need by reading Don Feder’s sarcastic diatribe. In it, he notes a few saliant facts:
O’Donnell didn’t tell us who these radical Christians are, but — given the mindset of political Hollywood — it’s easy to guess that she was referring to the Pro-Life Jihad and Family-Values Army of God.
Let’s see if I’ve got this straight:
Militant Muslims behead prisoners. Radical Christians oppose embryonic stem-cell research.
Militant Muslims blow themselves up in crowded shopping malls, slaughtering women and children. Radical Christians defend traditional marriage.
Militant Muslims fly planes into buildings, Radical Christians work to protect the sanctity of human life.
Militant Muslims threaten to kill those whom they believe have insulted their precious Prophet. Radical Christians threaten to launch consumer boycotts.
Militant Muslims issue fatwas. Radical Christians distribute voter guides.
Yep, I can see the similarities all right. The two are as alike as peas in a pod. No wonder Jerry Falwell is so often mistaken for Sheik Nasrallah.
Rosie O’Donnell would be merely laughable, of course, if she were just an isolated voice. Unfortunately, the Left is busy stoking that fear. “Please, please,” they say. “Ignore the snuff videos pouring out of the Muslim world with Islamists beheading anyone they can get their hands on. Ignore the cries for the Pope’s crucifixion. Ignore the demand for world submission to Islam. Ignore the bombs blowing up all over the world and the planes flying into buildings. Ignore the hysterical riots and the blood-thirsty rhetoric. Ignore the missiles (nuclear and otherwise) aimed at Israel. All that is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. The real danger is from an incredibly small sect of Christians that runs a summer camp where the kids train with wooden swords to be an army of God.”
You think I’m making that up, don’t you? Well, only sort of. In the New York Times movie review that sparked the above imagined monologue, the reviewer doesn’t ask us to ignore all the Muslim stuff. He just tells us to be afraid, very afraid, of that handful of kids with wooden swords (all emphasis is mine):
“Extreme liberals who look at this should be quaking in their boots,” declares Pastor Becky Fischer with jovial satisfaction in the riveting documentary “Jesus Camp.” Ms. Fischer, an evangelical Christian, helps run Kids on Fire, a summer camp in Devils Lake, N.D., that grooms children to be soldiers in “God’s army.”
A mountainous woman of indefatigable good cheer, Ms. Fischer makes no bones about her expectation that the growing evangelical movement in the United States will one day end the constitutional ban separating church and state. And as the movie explores her highly effective methods of mobilizing God’s army, that expectation seems reasonable.
Ms. Fischer understands full well that the indoctrination of children when they are most impressionable (under 13 and preferably between 7 and 9) with evangelical dogma is the key to the movement’s future growth, and she compares Kids on Fire to militant Palestinian training camps in the Middle East that instill an aggressive Islamist fundamentalism. The term war, as in culture war, is repeatedly invoked to describe the fighting spirit of a movement already embraced by 30 million Americans, mostly in the heartland.
At Kids on Fire we see children in camouflage and face paint practicing war dances with wooden swords and making straight-armed salutes to a soundtrack of Christian heavy metal. We see them weeping and speaking in tongues as they are seized by the Holy Spirit. And we see them in Washington at an anti-abortion demonstration.
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“Jesus Camp” includes one articulate and alarmed dissenting voice: Mike Papantonio, a talk show personality for Air America. A self-professed Christian of the dead church variety, he engages in a pointed but friendly debate with Ms. Fischer when she calls in to his show. But the only moment of real tension occurs during a side trip to a megachurch in Colorado Springs where the preacher Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals (and a Bush friend), turns to address the camera in a tone of suspicion and hostility. It is the movie’s only glimpse of the evangelical movement’s ugly, vindictive side.
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It wasn’t so long ago that another puritanical youth army, Mao Zedong’s Red Guards, turned the world’s most populous country inside out. Nowadays the possibility of a right-wing Christian American version of what happened in China no longer seems entirely far-fetched.
Only the very paranoid could equate mainstream Christians with one small summer camp in North Dakota and really only the very mean-spirited or morally confused could, I think, take a small summer camp and equate it to Mao’s reign of terror, which was responsible for the deaths of 20 to 70 million people.
I also checked out the Kids on Ministry website (that’s the group that sponsored the summer camp). There, I discovered that, at least as to its internet presence, we don’t yet have to worry about rabid Christians with nuclear weapons aimed at Hollywood and Manhattan, those well-known homes of Satan:
The purpose of Kids In Ministry International is to impart vision to children and adults of how God sees children as His partners in ministry worldwide. The purpose is also therefore to teach, train, and equip children to do the work of ministry and release them in their giftings and callings.
It is also to teach, train, and equip adults to minister to children, teaching them how to train and release children into the things of the Spirit and to find an active place in the body of Christ in all areas of ministry. Those areas include evangelism, mission, the gifts of the Spirit, worship, hearing the voice of God, prayer, healing the sick, and more.
These purposes are to be accomplished through a variety of forms including but not limited to curriculum, books, other written materials, seminars, conferences, schools of equipping, crusades, outreaches around the world, tapes, videos, and the internet.
To be honest, this rapturous, speaking-in-tongues, falling on the floor approach to religion doesn’t appeal to me, but I’m not scared yet. I’ll let you know when I start worrying about these people as much as I worry about the beheading, bombing, plane-flying crowd.
UPDATE: On the subject of which religious group is more scary, here is Cliff May explaining precisely what’s going on with the latest batch of Muslim riots:
Many commentators have pointed out the apparent hypocrisy: Muslims are outraged by cartoons satirizing Islamic extremism while in Muslim countries Christianity and Judaism are attacked viciously and routinely.
Many commentators are missing the point: These protestors – and those who incite them — are not asking for mutual respect and equality. They are not saying: “It’s wrong to speak ill of a religion.” They are saying: “It’s wrong to speak ill of our religion.” They are not standing up for a principle. They are laying down the law. They are making it as clear as they can that they will not tolerate “infidels” criticizing Muslims. They also are making it clear that infidels should expect criticism – and much worse – from Muslims.
They are attempting nothing less than the establishment of a new world order in which the supremacy of what they call the Nation of Islam is acknowledged, and “unbelievers” submit – or die. Call it an offer you can’t refuse.
Read the whole thing here and then you too will know why we should be very, very worried — and it’s not because of a Christian summer camp in North Dakota.
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Only the very paranoid could equate mainstream Christians with one small summer camp in North Dakota and really only the very mean-spirited or morally confused could, I think, take a small summer camp and equate it to Mao’s reign of terror, which was responsible for the deaths of 20 to 70 million people.
I think this is an example of when the alpha male monkey abuses the small monkey, and the small monkey finds someone else smaller and beat up on that monkey. Spread the misery.
The Left fears Islamic Jihad and they feel guilty for “causing” Islamic Jihad. So they go and pick on someone weaker because they are miserable and like to spread it around. They can’t pick on someone stronger or even as strong as Islamic Jihad, so they pick on the Christians who won’t behead them, small guys that they can victimize without any danger.
Isolated, or one of an unfortunate many; Rosie O’Donnell is in fact laughable.
It is old hat for Christians to face demonizing, but rather frightening that the attacks are an increasing part of Left America’s insanity.
—–You may have seen the following at American Thinker
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Samizdata: I am not making this up
It is no secret that in Europe the anti-American, anti-Israel propaganda machine is operating full tilt. How bad is it? Samizdata writes this report, concluding “I am not making this up.”
As I type these words, Britain’s Channel 4 is airing a major piece of breath-taking propoganda.
This two-hour prime-time ‘documentary’ is called ‘The Doomsday Code’ and purports to be a ciritical examination of the violent, apocolyptic, end-of-the-world ideology of (wait for it)…American Christians!
The story so far:
American Christians and Israelis are conspiring to bring about a global nuclear holocaust and this is why they are attacking Islam Americans are deliberately causing global warming as a part of their monstrous plot to realise ‘End Times’
The only hope for mankind lies with the UN but its effectiveness is being undermined by the “corrosive hostility” of the fundamentalist Christian Americans
I cannot find any specific programme website to which to link but there is a link to the website of the production company which is somehwat illuminating:
The Doomsday Code is produced by Fozia Khan and directed by James Quinn. It was commissioned by Aaquil Ahmed, Commissioning Editor for History, Science, Religion and Arts at Channel 4.
It is still broadcasting and has now moved on to Africa which, allegedly, is proving to be a fertile recruiting ground for the insanely violent American Evangelicals who are (among other things) doing their best to facilitate the spread of AIDS in accordance with the Book of Revelation.
Fourth Estate or Fifth Column?
Clarice Feldman 9 17 06
I don’t think her comments on Christianity have anything to do with Islamic extremism other than it presents an opportune boogey man to argue against. If there was no Islamic Jihad, she would compare Christianity to Hitler or some other “bad thing” in a vain attempt to draw a moral parallel with something that evokes a negative response.
She chooses to live a lifestyle that Christianity unequivocally views as wrong and as a result, she feels threatened. I disagree with the assertion that the Christians are the “small guys that they can victimize without any danger.” On the contrary, I think that Christians (of which I am one,) while not necessarily a majority of the right, are a significantly large enough group to help tip the election scales repeatedly–leaving the left impotent and holding desperately to their bankrupt policy of moral relativism.
She fears Christians from her perceived position of weakness and lashes out as a result (a Christianphobe if I may coin the term.) I, for one, do not feel victimized but rather empowered, for the small monkey doesn’t fear the even smaller monkey–it fears the bigger one.
I am with Kevin. I suspect that the sheer hatred expressed by the Left against (real) Christians is because the Christians constantly remind the Lefties of how far they have fallen. Hence, the Lefties’ constant use of the pejorative “judgmental”. Christians force Lefties to ask whether they are animals (with or without souls) or souls within the body of animals (hat tip: C.S. Lewis). The first implies an obligation to the self, the other an obligation to a higher authority. The solution for the Lefty is obviously to find ways to make the Christians seem “worse” then them, if not raving hypocrites, then as Nazis or Christian jihadis in training. It doesn’t work, however, because most Christians come across as generally nice people and good neighbors, committed to improving themselves through their charity toward others. It’s enough to send any self-respecting Lefty into a wild-eyed, spittle-flecked rage.
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Something tells me that “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” frightens the daylights out of Rosie O’Donnell and her ilk.
Isn’t C.S. Lewis the most eloquent Christian apologist? My favorite quotation of his is,“We all want progress. But progress means getting nearer to the place where you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turning, then to go forward does not get you any nearer. If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man.” So much for the liberals and their “progressive” ideology.
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People who fear others, don’t open their mouth to taunt those others. It would be a fake fear to say that Rosie is afraid of Christians therefore she attacks them because of her fear. That might be true of animals, but this was quite calm and collected humanistic behavior.
It is inadequate to characterize someone as feeling a fear for an object or a person, when the behavior of that one is inconsistent with being afraid.
In this respect, the Left doesn’t fear Christian voting power that can take away the Left’s power, if at the same time you have any belief that the Left hates Christians or despises them. One emotion doesn’t lead to the other. It’s quite true that the Left believes Christians to be bad, and the Left to be good. As with many self-righteous attitudes, they feel a certain immunity to evil based upon their righteousness and self-annointed status of chosen ones. There is little fear with such a complex but there is a lot of opportunity for the Left to target and hurt the evil that for them is Christianity.
But this reaction is not because Christians have a philosophy counter to people like Rosie’s. If that was true, Rosie would have no fear of the Islamic Jihad (based upon moral high ground with Christians), and would criticize Muslims as much as Christians. That doesn’t happen on the Left precisely because people act differently towards those who they fear will hurt them, and those who they just think are inferior, weaker, or available for a pounding. The Left’s self-righteousness protects them against peaceful people, but their moral high ground or even self-righteousness doesn’t really do anything against the power of the sword when it is applied against them. When a person is secure and knows they can’t be harmed, there is little fear in their motivations.
Rosie says she believes Christians are militant and just like the Islamic jihad, but her behavior betrays the truth. Rosie’s position compared to Christians, is pretty strong in her view. If it wasn’t, she would believe her lifestyle was wrong, and it obviously isn’t to her, and she obviously isn’t admitting that Christians might have anything right to say. So obviously she understands her position to be stronger, if she does not concede anything. In negotiations, he who concedes the most items of worth, has the weakest position at that table.
It’s not about whether Christians feel victimized, what causes Rosie’s behavior is not the perspective of her targets but her perception of those targets.
It’s a matter of understanding all view points, space-time coordinates, and perspectives. Looking at it solely from the Christian, jihad, or Left perspective is self-limiting.
If Christians do present an alternative philosophy that produces guilt in the Left, causing a backlash of hatred and disgust from the Left at Christians, then would this not go triple for the Islamic Jihad beliefs?
The question then becomes why does Christianity make the Left feel guilty, when the Islamic Jihad does not. Why does the Left attribute their guilt, white guilt, to the Christians, and place the Islamic Jihad victims as the subject of that guilt? It can’t be because Rosie doesn’t like people who disapprove of gayness, both the Islamics and the Christians do, one more than the other.
There’s a small enigma there.
Good point on Rosie and obviously I disagree but they’re both opinions and we’ve both presented our sides–no right, no wrong just our opinions for others to consider.
It’s a matter of understanding all view points, space-time coordinates, and perspectives.
I’m a physicist and this sentence is 100% nonsense–what do space-time coordinates have to do with it?
Oh I’m definitely right. Anyone who disagrees will have their own opinions true, and I suppose others reading can make up their own minds, so long as they don’t bother me too much if they make up their own minds about me personally.
Brilliant retort but it appears that I’ve had support for my analysis. I still assert that Rosie fears Christians because they have swayed elections away from her desired outcome and she speaks out not because they’re the little guy but because she knows Christians don’t have a recent history of killing people who speak out (e.g. Theo Van Gough) but feel free to keep trying.