For quite a while, the fanatic Islamists have been in the catbird seat. No matter what they did, as long as it was directed against (a) Israel; (b) George Bush; (c) America; (d) the American military; (e) the West; or (e) disrespectful cartoons, the West gave them a free pass, ignoring all of the genocidal rhetoric and actual violence. I wonder, though, if the attack against the Pope isn’t a case of overreaching. I certainly hope that it is.
As I’m sure you know, Pope Benedict gave a speech to a scholarly conference in which he lauded Western civilization’s reliance on reason as an essential element in approaching faith. As a way to illustrate this fact, he reached back to a report about a 14th Century debate in Constantinople between the Emperor and a respected Muslim scholar. Benedict’s talk is so clear, I’ll let him take it from here:
[E]ven in the face of such radical skepticism it is still necessary and reasonable to raise the question of God through the use of reason, and to do so in the context of the tradition of the Christian faith: this, within the university as a whole, was accepted without question.
I was reminded of all this recently, when I read the edition by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on– perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara– by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. It was probably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than the responses of the learned Persian.
The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith contained in the Bible and in the Qur’an, and deals especially with the image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the relationship of the three Laws: the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Qur’an. In this lecture I would like to discuss only one point– itself rather marginal to the dialogue itself– which, in the context of the issue of faith and reason, I found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my reflections on this issue.
In the seventh conversation edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the jihad (holy war). The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: There is no compulsion in religion. It is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat.
But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur’an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the “Book” and the “infidels,” he turns to his interlocutor somewhat brusquely with the central question on the relationship between religion and violence in general, in these words:
Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.
The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul.
God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats… To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death….
The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature.
(And, yes, I know that, in times past, various branches of the Christian faith have breached this adherence to reason, and opted for violence. The fact that people don’t live up to their ideals, though, doesn’t mean that the ideals are meaningless. Witness the fact that no modern Christians use coercion to convert.)
In other words, to give context to a still valid and relevant 14th Century argument about the nexus between faith and reason, the Pope restated an attack against the long-standing Muslim practice of converting people at swordpoint. In addition to being an interesting piece of scholarship, I strongly believe that the Pope’s point is a valid and tactful attack against forced conversion, something that continues today (witness how their captors forced Centanni and Wiig to convert or face death). In other words, in a peaceable, scholarly way, the Pope challenged a principle — a bad principle. The Pope did not attack anyone directly, nor did he call for any attack on any people or nations.
As you all know, the usual Muslim response was swift and extraordinarily ugly. The usual gang of Muslims around the world called for the Pope to be decapitated, protested outside of churches with signs calling for the world to submit to Islam, and murdered a nun who spent her life working for the poor. As NPR (NPR!) explicitly reported, Al Qaeda in Iraq not only condemned the Pope, it announced its goal of having the entire world bow to Islam. I can’t find a link to the NPR top-of-the-hour squiblet, but here’s Al Qaeda’s announcement:
The group said Muslims would be victorious and addressed the pope as “the worshipper of the cross” saying “you and the West are doomed as you can see from the defeat in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya and elsewhere. … We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose head tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (killed by) the sword.”
It seems to me that Muslims may finally have picked the wrong target. I wonder if it’s any coincidence that today the L.A. Times ran an Op-Ed column in which Sam Harris, a self-identified die-hard liberal and anti-Bush person, castigates liberals for using Bush Derangement Syndrome as an excuse for intentionally blinding themselves to the evil that is Muslim fascism. You should definitely read the whole thing, but I’ll include here a few choice quotations:
On questions of national security, I am now as wary of my fellow liberals as I am of the religious demagogues on the Christian right.
This may seem like frank acquiescence to the charge that “liberals are soft on terrorism.” It is, and they are.
A cult of death is forming in the Muslim world — for reasons that are perfectly explicable in terms of the Islamic doctrines of martyrdom and jihad. The truth is that we are not fighting a “war on terror.” We are fighting a pestilential theology and a longing for paradise.
This is not to say that we are at war with all Muslims. But we are absolutely at war with those who believe that death in defense of the faith is the highest possible good, that cartoonists should be killed for caricaturing the prophet and that any Muslim who loses his faith should be butchered for apostasy.
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In their analyses of U.S. and Israeli foreign policy, liberals can be relied on to overlook the most basic moral distinctions. For instance, they ignore the fact that Muslims intentionally murder noncombatants, while we and the Israelis (as a rule) seek to avoid doing so. Muslims routinely use human shields, and this accounts for much of the collateral damage we and the Israelis cause; the political discourse throughout much of the Muslim world, especially with respect to Jews, is explicitly and unabashedly genocidal.
Given these distinctions, there is no question that the Israelis now hold the moral high ground in their conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah. And yet liberals in the United States and Europe often speak as though the truth were otherwise.
We are entering an age of unchecked nuclear proliferation and, it seems likely, nuclear terrorism. There is, therefore, no future in which aspiring martyrs will make good neighbors for us. Unless liberals realize that there are tens of millions of people in the Muslim world who are far scarier than Dick Cheney, they will be unable to protect civilization from its genuine enemies.
Every day, we’re getting stories about leading liberal lights who are starting to figure things out. (I’ll dig around a little for the liberal British group that just announced itself taking the West’s side in the war against Islamic fascism.) Maybe, just maybe, we’re seeing the tipping point.
UPDATE: Check out the “Pals No More — II” segment in Best of the Web Today. It’s a little more on the tipping point issue.
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I hereby declare my viewpoint as follows:
[Sam Harris excerpt with "libertarian" substituted for "liberal."]
That is all.
We can hope that the lights are coming on, but I won’t be holding my breath.
“Maybe, just maybe, we’re seeing the tipping point.”
Nope. Denial is a core tenet for liberals.
In the seventh conversation edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the jihad (holy war). The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: There is no compulsion in religion. It is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat.
You can’t understand religion until you understand the time line in question after all, especially the time line of the authors of these holy books.
It would make sense for Mohammed to try and act “gentle and kind” before he unleashed the dogs of war. Be as gentle as sheep grazing contentedly, but then strike with surprising grace.
As you all know, the usual Muslim response was swift and extraordinarily ugly. The usual gang of Muslims around the world called for the Pope to be decapitated
I think if I actually saw one of these “protests” get bombed and people were running around like chickens with their heads cut off, I would actually find it amusing.
Surprise surprise as they say.
Given these distinctions, there is no question that the Israelis now hold the moral high ground in their conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah.
There they go again with their “moral high ground”. How many children, women, and rape victims in Iran have the moral high ground saved, eh? Has every true liberal, of JFK or Truman’s character, joined in the Republican coalition now? Talk about one party skewed.
Unless liberals realize that there are tens of millions of people in the Muslim world who are far scarier than Dick Cheney, they will be unable to protect civilization from its genuine enemies.
Someone scarier than Dark Lord of the Sixth Cheney? Come on, get real.
Maybe, just maybe, we’re seeing the tipping point.
They are still catching up. In the war to the knife, he who gets the knife into the neck first, wins. People trying to play catch up ain’t going anywhere, really.
I have to agree with J. A lot of liberals won’t get it until they’re dead from jihadi violence and even in the afterlife I’m sure many will blame Bush.
It’s okay to hope, Bookworm. Nothing wrong with that. Just watch your morale meter. Morale Rollercoasters are not a good thing for the spirit.
Anonymous comment at a London Catholic website reporting on the Muslim protests outside Sunday Mass (with pics):
(Anonymous said…)
As for the murdered Nun, it shows that Christian martyrs die defending and caring for the innocent…while muslim martyrs die killing the innocent.
2:51 PM
http://catholiclondoner.blogspot.com/2006/09/very-rushed-post.html
I think the Islamic Jihad will overreach when you have Hollywood producing movies about Muslims thighing young girls.
If you enter ‘thighing’ and ‘Islam’ into an internet search engine you will get more information than you can stomach on this practice.
This is really really sick stuff, and I mean really sick, really sick:
In Ayatu Allah Al Khumaini’s book, “Tahrir Al wasila,” p. 241, issue number 12, it says:
“It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his male member between her thighs, and to kiss her.”
Posted by: EnglishBlondie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 21, 2006 01:48 AM
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm
This is the height of chutzpah. First the muslims create a punishing system of sexual deprivation. In order to boast about chastity.
But then they realize that chastity doesn’t work for them.
So then they create a loophole that allows them to be promiscuous, while at the same time preserving that religious claim to chastity. Just get married for 24 hours.
You see this is other arab practices like the homosesuality in the madrasses, or in the “thighing” of newborns, mufa’khathat, or in the sanction of rape. In all these cases, the muslim system allows the muslim to get his rocks off while claiming that it is morally sound because it serves moral purposes.
That is the dementia of the sexually repressed mind. It comes up with ever more convoluted reasoning to sanction immoral behavior.
To a muslim, morality is not an absolute. Unlike everything else in their world view. No, to a muslim, true morality is just a mere technicality. They have on innate sense of right and wrong.
Which is only possible if you have no conscience. And that, in a nutshell, is the fundamental flaw of islam culture which leads to the debauchery of what they do. They have no conscience. Only a set of directives.
If something is sanctioned, then the muslim feels free to commit the worst crimes. Sanction prostitution, and islam does, and he feels no guilt. Sanction rape, and islam does, and he feels no guilt. Sanction murder, and islam does, and he feels no guilt. As long as it has some type of religious sanction, the muslim behaves without a conscience. Like a robot. A terminator. Either a killing terminator, or a fornicating one. Just a robot with a directive.
As a side note, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89, said in his official statements:
“A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. But sodomizing the baby is halal”
And if a baby is not available, animals will do:
“A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”
Khomeini’s book, “Tahrirolvasyleh” fourth volume
Posted by: somethingaboutislam [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 20, 2006 03:48 PM
This was from something I googled on Jihad Watch.
Sure, I laugh about Muslims doing it to sheep and the sexual repression of their society, but we all(well most) know that it has some very real evil consequences, and not just suicide bombers.
Imagine what would happen if the Pope lectured Islam about thighing, and sexual intercourse by men on men, or using animals and babies for sexual pleasure.
Btw, we should hold terrorists to a high standard. Preferably high enough that their neck will break after we drop them off the scaffolding.
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Ymarsakar’s allegation that Islam condones sex with animals, babies and homosexuality is false.
Those interested in a truer picture of Islam’s view on these issues should visit:
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You can believe in a geocity website. That’s fine. But it’s going to put you against the facts in Muslim religious history as well as Muslim fatwahs.
Sex outside of marriage is forbidden. It does not matter whether it is fornication, adultery, bestiality, pederasty or homosexuality.
As the Jihad Watch website proved, it isn’t forbidden in Islam. While it is forbidden to women, decadent lusts are not so limited for the men of the Islamic Jihad.
Salinas, California, November 20, 2005
Another thing. We have things in America and we have things in other parts of the world. Those things are not exactly the same, in fact, they are very different. The world is a very different place than the safe and comfortable confines of the Great and powerful United States.
http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009590.php
Specifically with homosexuality, Islam doesn’t have too much problems when a man is doing the penetrating. But if a man prefers to be penetrated, that’s like a taboo in Islam. That’s like women being promiscuous or something.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012301.php
The above is about misyar, temporary Islamic marriages that allow the men to be a playboy.
http://www.coranix.com/beastycult.htm
Here you have another bunch of goodies. The Islamic Jihad has yet to overreach. Look at the Left, they still want to negotiate. Look at McCain, he wants our hands to be clean, or at least just his hands to be clean.
The fact that 100 million or so Muslims would love to kill me is more pertinent, to me, than their sexual proclivities. What people do in their bedrooms, or barns, is something I try not to dwell on.
A difference between conservatives and liberals then, J.
I don’t know anything about Jihad Watch and I don’t know anything about McCain, but I’ve grown up in a country in which 8 per cent of the population is Muslim, in a city in which approximately 30 per cent is Muslim and I have many Muslim friends. I know from personal experience that these allegations are false.
I am a Christian and I know the Bible well. I could quote many examples from it to show you how it can be interpreted as condoning violence and barbaric practices in the same way that you are doing here with Islam.
And J, why do you think 100 million Muslims would love to kill you? Because of extremist groups? That’s like looking at the Branch Dravidians and assuming that all Christian leaders like to sleep with their followers before committing mass murder.
When all Christian leaders are irrational and violent, there’s no need to assume anything. It’s just there. Does it really matter to a human being who he does violence on, the weak, the sick, or the stupid.
The bible is a military holy book in an age where there were no Empires, Moses was just trying to get out and get a home. Mohammed was setting out and creating an empire. Big diff. Can’t just airbrush the history away with some false equivalency.
Personal experience is like bias sampling via polls. It tells you about Muslims in one country, but Ravana shouldn’t actually extrapolate that to mean anything for the real Muslims living in non-apostasy in the rest of the world.
It’s really a bad syndrome when people, instead of acting cosmopolitan, believe everything in the world is constructed based upon what they see from their local community. It’s the same disease that leads to the veneration of the UN by Western decadents.
ravana — you’re right, the number is probably much higher. I was only counting the Wahhabis and their radical clique.
J, well put.
ravana would sell her case much better if she were isolating the radical Islamists, if she were condemning the death and disrepute the radicals bring to innocent Moslems.
Speaking out against the Islamic massacres of fellow believers. And of infidels.
Defend the innocent, ravana. You’re supporting the extremists.
Ymarsakar,
1. Firstly, All Muslim leaders are not irrational and violent. The vast majority is peaceful.
2. Secondly, your comment “Moses was just trying to get out and get a home. Mohammed was setting out and creating an empire.” is specious. Whether Mohammed or Moses was more violent is arguable, but Moses, the Biblical God, and the journey to the “promised” land was very violent. Thousands of innocents were killed INTENTIONALLY by the Israelites in the journey to the promised land, which, don’t forget, they had to ethnically cleanse in order to make it their own.
Some quotes from the Old Testament below. I am only including the ones about Moses, since you mentioned him, but there’s tons more, and worse, as well.
“The biblical God is guilty of wartime atrocities. After bringing the Israelites out of captivity in Egypt, he ordered them to attack King Sihon of Heshbon. So the Israelites “put to death everyone in the cities, men, women, and dependents” and “left no survivor.”[14]
God then told them to do the same to King Og of Bashan. The Israelites therefore “slaughtered them and left no survivor.”[15] The book of Psalms cites these massacres as proof that the Lord’s “love endures for ever.”[16]
At God’s command, the Israelites made war on Midian and slew all the men and burned their cities.[17] But Moses was angry because they had spared the women and children. So he ordered the soldiers to “kill every male dependent, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with a man, but spare for yourselves every woman among them who has not had intercourse.”[18] Shortly thereafter, God gave Moses instructions for distributing the captive virgins among the fighting men and the community.[19]
In resettling the Israelites after the Egyptian sojourn, God instructed them to steal the land of seven nations. And he told them to “not leave any creature alive. You shall annihilate them. . . .”[20]
As a result, the Israelites utterly wiped out various peoples. An example is when Joshua’s army attacked Jericho and “put everyone to the sword, men and women, young and old. . . .”[21] Later, the Lord told Joshua to do the same to the people of Ai.[22]
In obedience to the Lord’s commands, Joshua’s army did likewise to many other cities. The Israelites “put every living soul to the sword until they had destroyed every one; they did not leave alive any one that drew breath.”[23]
If the accounts given in the Bible are accepted, there were millions of men, women, and children exterminated in this conquest of the Promised Land.[24]”
http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/Violence_and_God.htm
3. Thirdly, I completely agree with your comment: “It’s really a bad syndrome when people, instead of acting cosmopolitan, believe everything in the world is constructed based upon what they see from their local community.”
I am not basing my opinions on only my local community.
I’ve travelled and met Muslims in many countries. I’ve lived in Sri Lanka and went to university in England. I’ve visited Malaysia (60% Muslim), France (10% Muslim), Switzerland, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. I have Muslim friends from Pakistan, Maldives (close to 100% Muslim), Oman, Dubai, Jordan. I have close family and friends who have lived in various parts of the Middle East. I’ve broken journey in Dubai, Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Sharjah (although I have admittedly only seen little more than the airports). I have two non-Muslim friends who work in British government offices in Kabul and Tehran, who I am in touch with. I went to a university where one in six students was international, and I know people from all over the globe and have been exposed to many different views Muslim, Israeli, and otherwise.
The vast majority of Muslims are peaceloving people, as this Muslim writer indicates:
“Let’s take compassion first. There are many verses in the holy Quran and hadith, which emphasise on compassion. For instance, the Prophet said: “O people, be compassionate to others so that you may be granted compassion by God.” Thus, Islam makes compassion a matter of self-interest for every man and also motivates us to be compassionate in our dealings with each other. One who wants to receive God’s grace will have to show compassion to others.
Regarding forgiveness, the Quran says, “When they are angered, they forgive,” Quran has number of verses that promote forgiveness. Once a person came to the Prophet and asked him, “O Prophet, give me an advice by which I may be able to manage all the affairs of my life.” The Prophet replied: “Don’t be angry. Even if people provoke you, don’t lose temper and forgive those who make you angry. Adopt forgiveness as your behaviour.”
Now let’s take the third principle, respect for all. There is a very interesting story, recorded by Al-Bukhari in this regard. The Prophet once saw a funeral procession passing by a street in Madina. The Prophet was seated at that time. On seeing the funeral, the Prophet stood up in respect. At this one of his companions said: ‘O Prophet, it was the funeral of a Jew (not a Muslim).’ The Prophet replied: ‘Was he not a human being?’
He said that every human being is worthy of respect. There may be differences among people regarding religion and culture, but everyone has to respect the other. Because Islam says that all men and women are brothers and sisters. And all are creatures of one and the same God.”
http://spirituality.indiatimes.com/articleshow/995419914.cms
So what about all the verses on war and violence that sites like JihadWatch keep quoting? Some insights by yet another Muslim writer.
“Sometimes the Qu’ran seems to have imbibed this spirit. Muslims are ordered by God to “slay [the enemy] wherever you find them. (4:89). Muslim extremists like Bin Laden like to quote these verses, but they do so selectively, never quoting the exhortations to peace and forbearance that in almost every case mitigate these ferocious injunctions in the verses immediately following. Thus “If they leave you alone and offer to make peace with you, God does not allow you to harm them.” (4:90)
Therefore the only war condoned by the Qu’ran is a war of self-defense. “Warfare is an awesome evil” (2:217), but sometimes it is necessary to fight in order to bring the kind of persecution suffered by the Muslims to an end [2:217] or to preserve decent values [22:40]. But Muslims may never initiate hostilities, and aggression is forbidden by God [2:190] While the fighting continues, Muslims must dedicate themselves wholly to the war in order to bring things back to normal as quickly as possible, but the second the enemy sues for peace, hostilities must cease. [2:192]”
http://www.answering-christianity.com/no_violence.htm
Ironically, it appears tha Al Quaeda and JihadWatch are both interested in promoting the same image of Islam!
Ravana: you are quite right that the Old Testament has a lot of violence and much that is distasteful by modern standards (although the “ethnic cleansing” started after Moses’ death, when his people entered Canaan). Tossing scripture around, though, doesn’t quite get to the modern world, and the modern world is that, while many founding religions had a violent past, the Judeo-Christian religions have ceased killing in the name of God. It is only Muslims who continue to do so on a mass scale. (There will always be flakes who like to kill and use religion — any religion — as a justification.)
I also agree with you that there are many, many millions of Muslims who join the Judeo-Christian tradition of religious freedom and peaceable worship. Unfortunately, they’re not visible. What’s visible is a radical approach to Islam with loud, violent, fanatic adherents who are drowning out any others who are talking on the subject. Even worse, it doesn’t seem as if the moderate Muslims are doing much talking right now. They seemed as cowed by the fanatics as everyone else.
You’ll notice that, in my posts, I’m always very careful to refer to “radical Islam,” or “fanatic Islam,” or “Islamic jihadists.” I do so precisely because, when I cast aspersions, I want to be very careful that those aspersions don’t drift onto benign religious practitioners, but head directly to those who have elevated violent religion to an art form.
Bookworm,
I am uncertain as to what extent I agree with your last comment, but I think it is a justifiable and rational viewpoint – one that I do not feel the need to oppose.
However, I have some comments. I think a reason (not an excuse) for Islam to appear more fanatical than the other major monotheistic religions might be because Islam has had less time to “cool down”. Whereas Christianity has evolved, been questioned internally, and has split into countless different denominations, Islam is still going through it’s headstrong teenage years.
Islam is only 14 centuries old. When Christianity was a similar age, the world was experiencing the crusades and the tyranny of the “evil” Borgia popes. It could be argued that the cannibalism, rape, massacres and anti-semitism that allegedly took place at that time at the hands of the “Christians” were far worse than anything we see from Islam today. I am not aware of any Muslim nations that have invaded and have ethnically cleansed continents the way that Christian nations have done with North America, Australia, and to some extent, Latin America, so effectively. Similarly, their subjugation of other peoples under the yoke of colonialism is also morally defunct and violent. And further, it has only been a few decades since that era ended. In fact, the South African change came less than two dcades ago. At least the Muslims absorb all peoples into one brotherhood when they conquer and convert. There is no segregation of races that I am aware of in Muslim world.
However, the world is a different place now. And you can’t have THAT sort of thing happening in this day and age.
But, let’s question this. Why not? Why can’t you have this sort of thing happening in this day and age? Who says so?
I think if you examine this you will find that this belief (one that I subscribe to, I might add) was initiated and promoted by the West and by Western influenced institutions like the UN, the Geneva Convention, international law, the World Bank, IMF, the Commonwealth etc etc. It was spread throughout the globe using colonialism as a tool. Now there is a “way to act” as it were, and this has largely been defined by the West, who, having grown economically and politically powerful at the expense of the American Indians, the Aborigines, and the nations under the colonial yoke used this position to impose accross the world a system which was suited, if not beneficial, to them. In sum, the West EVOLVED to the state it is now. By contrast many parts of the rest of the world had the status quo THRUST upon them by the West.
When colonialism ended it left a huge string of internal conflicts in its wake. You only need to look at a map of the world to see how it has been split along latitudal and longitudinal lines with no concern for traditional homelands, or migrant peoples. It is very difficult to make people that have not gone through centuries of social, technological and political evolution fit into a Western model of what is right. The more you try to do this the more problems it is likely to create in the future. Rwanda, Sri Lanka, Kashmir, Zaire, Cyprus, Israel are just some of the conflicts that are the legacies of colonialism.
My point is this: I see what the US is trying to do in the Middle East, especially Iraq, as yet another imposition of a Western ideal on a region that is not ready to handle it. I fear that in the long run, this strategy is going to backfire and create more problems for the world than it is going to solve, especially for the US. I don’t think the US political will and economic ability is strong enough to keep it in Iraq for the long term. In my opinion, come election pressures either this government or the next is going to try and find a hasty media-friendly exit strategy and this will mean a premature pull out of Iraq. Within an year or two of the US leaving, political chaos will reign in Iraq leading to a hotbed of violence and an ideal breeding ground for angry US-hating terrorists. And then we won’t even be able to blame them for feeling that way.