From CENTCOM comes a nice report about the freeing of 3 Iraqi citizens who were held in a spider hole for 27 days, and tortured during that time, as well as the capture of a large cache of weapons, including an armed suicide car:
CAMP FALLUJAH, Iraq – Marines from Regimental Combat Team 5’s, 1st Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment, and soldiers from 2nd and 4th Brigade, 1st Iraqi Army Division, rescued three Iraqi hostages in an intelligence-driven operation July 23.
The three were personal assistants and bodyguards to Dr. Rafa Hayid Chiad Al-Isaw, an Iraqi government official in Baghdad.
“We are extremely pleased we were able to recover these three Iraqi citizens,” said Col. Larry D. Nicholson, commanding officer for RCT-5. “The safety of Iraqi citizens to move freely about their own country without fear is a priority for U.S and Iraqi forces and we will continue to assist the Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police in ensuring their citizens have a future that is free of terrorism.”
The three were held captive by al-Qaeda insurgents in a spiderhole complex for 27 days. The hostages were beaten with electrical cords, bitten and threatened with their lives at gunpoint by their captors. They were treated by Coalition Forces medical personnel.
The three were taken hostage by al-Qaeda insurgents west of Zaidon, a rural area south of Fallujah. They were rescued near Fuhaylat, southwest of Fallujah.
Also recovered nearby was a significant weapons cache, including a fully-assembled suicide vehicle-borne improvised explosive device. Marines also recovered IEDs and IED-making material, mortar tubes and round, artillery rounds, machine guns, bulk explosives, anti-tank mines, rocket-propelled grenades and launchers, AK-47 assault rifles, small-arms ammunition and video cameras.
Regimental Combat Team 5, partnered with Iraqi Security Force units, is currently conducting counter-insurgency and security operations in the greater Fallujah area.
What the story doesn’t say is how the Marines located this complex. While it could have been dumb luck, I like to assume that Iraqis were talking, and that in itself is a good sign.
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A better sign would be public executions, with the victims there to watch. The Marines can save a million hostages after they have been abused, but it does not in any way combat the psychological damage that has been effected.
There will always be the fear that next time, not only will the Marines be unable to prevent it, like last time, but they will also be unable to save them before they are killed.
It is very important to inculcate a level of trust in the local population. One of the ways to do this is to show that you have both the power and the willingness to bring justice upon the enemy. Law and Order under martial laws and occupations usually require someone to be killed eventually. A perfect example of martial law without any law or order, was the looting in 2003 in Baghdad. Nobody was shot by the military, great way to lose Law and Order though.
You can’t guarantee to someone that their fears won’t come true. None of us can. What we can do is to promise justice. So what is justice in terms of terroists kidnapping people and torturing them free from consequence. Why is it fair that a terroist can resist and kill civilians all day and all night along, in a fight against US forces, and the US forces are still required by law to take any surrenders that the terroists offer at the end of the fight? How can this be justice, or a resemblance of fairness, when no amount of begging, bargaining, reasoning, or pleas by the captives of terroists will ever provide them with any mercy?
If you think the support from the Iraqi people is positive and good now a days, you haven’t seen the maximum potentials yet. It’s certainly an improvement from the suspicious days of 2003 when everyone in Baghdad was afraid to be seen speaking to an AMerican. There’s nothing the military can do about it however. The power of execution is a political decision, one that President Bush and the leaders of Iraq can make, no one else. Few will be actively lobbying the President for that as well. The reason’s simple. The urgency of Iraqis do not translate into anything that the American political system can deal with in an adapted form. If a citizen is disgruntled in America and wants redress of criminals coming from Mexico, they can have their concerns felt and have it affect the balance of power. But how does a bunch of Iraqi victims of terror make their pleas for justice felt in an American system that doesn’t even speak their language and doesn’t recognize their right as citizens? The American system obviously can’t, lack of an Imperial infrastructure of course, so we have to get a local Iraqi system up and running.
But even then, there are problems with corruption. A great irony. The American system works great and is efficient, but it is incompatible with Iraq because the language is different and Iraq is not a state of the US. While things are getting built, the women and children are without protection and shelter. Which is an unfortunate situation. Field Expedient measures, however, could benefit them if they were used.
If you asked Iraqis in a poll, whether they believed America was soft on the Sunni insurgency and terroists, the answer might perhaps surprise you.
Trust is earned, and it goes both ways. If America does not show that it is willing to expend political capital to defend Iraqi civilians against terroists, by taking an internationally unpopular decision to create public executions of terroist insurgents, then why should Iraqis risk life, limb, and family to give American tips and become unpopular to their Arab neighbors and the world wide Islamic JIhad?
In the beginning, they thought we would cut and run, so they’d just go hide and not say anything, because we’d just leave and the terroists would execute them for being collaborators. We’ve made inroads through this by the simple fact of having 2,500 body bags in the Iraq theater. Death and life, they are in essence, the only bargaining chips accepted internationally in human affairs. Money? Does not buy a resurrection when they cut off your head as an informer. Weapons? Not going to do any good when the Iraqis cut and run from the enemy as they did a few years ago.
Death and life, these are the glue cementing two people who don’t speak the same language and who don’t even think the same way. The Marines and the Iraqis will do their duty and uphold the honor of their respective units. I have no doubt about this. I do doubt that President Bush has the wisdom and foresight to understand that by refusing to act precipitously via the political means at his disposal, he is prolonging this war and putting too burdensom a task upon the military. Because without public square executions or other shows of strength by America to Iraq, to encourage Iraqis to give up more information on terroists, the Marines will take longer to accomplish their mission. For every additional day that the mission requires, more women, men, and children are torn apart. Bush needs to do his part in ending it, he cannot rely upon the military to do everything for him and come up with all the battle jutsus and stratagems.
Maybe if the Democrats had been sane in the beginning, Bush might have listened to them and done a Roosevelt and Truman duo act in Iraq. Without the Democrats, Bush’s grab bag of ideas is limited to people in his inner circle and the military top brass. Whenever I hear people say “we got to criticize the govmint, the govmint cannot be allowed to keep secrets from the pub”, I just think they don’t know what they are talking about. Sad and pathetic.
Yes, with only 6,000 Iraqi civilians killed in the last 2 months, public executions are definitely the ticket. That will show them who’s boss!
(Or maybe we could rape some 14 year olds and kill her parents and sis. That will show them who’s boss!)
What we can do is to promise justice.
Justice? Why do you think we tortured thousands at gitmo. Why do you think we kill all those civilians? It’s our way of earning trust, which is why this has been the most successful war in America’s history! I can’t wait until we nuke the rest of the world to earn their trust.
“Why do you think we tortured thousands at gitmo”
Whoa there cowboy–care to back that charge up with evidence from a credible source?
“Why do you think we kill all those civilians”
Are you honestly inferring that our policy of engagement is to intentionally try to kill civilians? I think if that were true, our efforts to date are far from effective—wouldn’t carpet bombing give us more bang for the buck; you know, more of a “kill ‘em all and let God sort them out” strategy.
back that charge up with evidence from a credible source?
There are thousands of photos and hours of video proving it. Haven’t you seen any of them?
Are you honestly inferring that our policy of engagement is to intentionally try to kill civilians?
Recklessly, usually, but intentionally an awful lot of the time. :
This is
LONDON
19/06/03 – News section
US troops ’shoot civilians’
By Bob Graham, Evening Standard, in Baghdad
American soldiers in Iraq today make the astonishing admission that they regularly kill civilians.
In a series of disturbing interviews which throws light on the chaos gripping the country, GIs also confess to leaving wounded Iraqi fighters to die, and even to shooting injured enemy
soldiers. They say they are frequently confronted by fighters dressed as civilians, including women.
Their response is often to shoot first and ask questions later, even when it means killing genuine civilians. Yesterday, US troops killed at least one man and injured three others during a demonstration in Baghdad by former Iraqi soldiers protesting at not being paid for two months. US troops first fired into the air and then into the crowd after the demonstrators began throwing stones and bricks.
In the worsening cycle of violence, American tactics like these are feeding the resentment of many Iraqis who object to the occupation of their country. US troops are facing a growing number of hitandrun guerrilla attacks and more than 40 soldiers have been killed since George Bush declared the war over seven weeks ago.
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AP: Soldiers in Iraq Say They Were Ordered to Kill
All Adult Males
Published: July 21, 2006 10:15 PM ET
EL PASO Four U.S. soldiers accused of murdering suspected insurgents during a raid in Iraq said they were under orders to “kill all military age males,” according to sworn statements obtained by The Associated Press.
The soldiers first took some of the men into custody because they were using two women and a toddler as human shields. They shot three of the men after the women and child were safe and say the men attacked them.
“The ROE (rule of engagement) was to kill all military age males on Objective Murray,” Staff Sgt. Raymond L. Girouard told investigators, referring to the target by its code name.
That target, an island on a canal in the northern Salahuddin province, was believed to be an al-Qaida training camp. The soldiers said officers in their chain of command gave them the order and explained that special forces had tried before to target the island and had come under fire from insurgents.
Girouard, Spc. William B. Hunsaker, Pfc. Corey R. Clagett, and Spc. Juston R. Graber are charged with murder and other offenses in the shooting deaths of three of the men during the May 9 raid.
Girouard, Hunsaker and Clagett are also charged with obstruction of justice for allegedly threatening to kill another soldier if he told authorities what happened.
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Published on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 by the Inter Press Service
Amnesty International: British Army ‘Killing Civilians’
by Sanjay Suri
LONDON – The British army has been killing civilians in areas of southern Iraq that it controls, says a report by Amnesty International.
The report follows widespread news of torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners by British troops. While reports of such abuse have been overshadowed by photographs of abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers, the British government too faces a growing scandal over the conduct of its soldiers.
An undated handout photograph released May 11, 2004, shows eight-year-old Iraqi girl Hanan Salem Madrud who was allegedly shot dead by British forces in Basra according to a report by human rights group Amnesty International. Amnesty International on Tuesday accused British soldiers in Iraq of shooting and killing civilians in situations where they posed no apparent threat. (Amnesty International/Reuters)
Britain has had its own shocking photographs of abuse of prisoners by soldiers. Several of these photographs have been carried in the Daily Mirror newspaper. The Ministry of Defense says it is investigating the authenticity of the photographs.
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Iraq PM impatient with US troops killing civilians
Tue 30 May 2006 11:50 AM ET
By Mariam Karouny
BAGHDAD, May 30 (Reuters) – Iraq’s prime minister said on Tuesday his patience was wearing thin with excuses from U.S. troops that they kill civilians by “mistake” and said he would launch an investigation into killings at Haditha last year.
“There is a limit to the acceptable excuses. Yes a mistake may happen but there is an acceptable limit to mistakes,” Nuri al-Maliki told Reuters when asked about a U.S. investigation into the deaths of 24 Iraqis in the western town last November.
“We are worried about the increase in ‘mistakes’. I am not saying that they are intentional. But it is worrying for us,” he said in an interview in his offices in Baghdad.
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And some specialists are warning that as soldiers serve ever-longer tours in the midst of guerrilla fighting, the chances of additional such killings go up.
A research paper written in early 2005 by Army Major Peter Kilner, an infantry officer and military ethicist, suggested that soldiers — especially those obliged to use deadly force in combat situations — can only take so much combat stress in Iraq-like conditions before they reach the breaking point.
“American soldiers and Marines are doing a lot of killing in the global war on terror,” Kilner wrote. “The symptoms of those that have killed in combat — as part of an atrocity or legitimate activity — are significantly different from those who have not killed. Those who reported they had killed were much more likely to report having done something in the military that they will never tell, to have violent outbursts, to have intrusive nightmares, and to abuse alcohol.”
He warned that the longer the conflict drags on, the more that discipline on the battlefield will fray.
The number of soldiers lashing out because of psychological scars, he wrote, “will likely increase as soldiers experience multiple combat tours.”
DB is the example of the neanderthal rock heads I mentioned in the next post (Japan) that wanted to kill off everyone, since questions and regrets were for latter.
Sure, they can be ignorant. But not if they’ve been reading what I’ve been reading, and reading what I’ve been typing for the last 5 years, or even few days for that matter. Lots of people remain ignorant even when they are exposed to new information, that’s just how people are.
For people to not have studied the technique of public executions and the many various variations on that technique, after 5 years of terroist headchopping and 9/11 disasters, is inexcusable. What have these people been doing all this time? Listening to Air America And Colmes on Fox?
*sneers*
There are thousands of photos and hours of video proving it. Haven’t you seen any of them?
Somebody failed Torture 101. I’m a curiosity in the sense that I’ve actually studied torture, as opposed to people who talk about it but are ignorant of the facts. (The Senate comes to mind, another sneering boondogle of saintly wood chucks)
If DB was just ignorant, maybe he could learn something from what people like me, have written. But, for some reason, I don’t think that is his only problem judging by the article he quoted. I’ll leave you guys to figure out what specifically in that article is wrong. I’ll leave the article chopping for others more inclined to it.
O hya, I forgot, the reason why reactionists kill off everyone and sort out the children later, is because they don’t know how to do it any other way. You don’t have to support the killers, to be a reactionist. You just have to be part of the ones considering that the only option is brutality and violence.
DB is the example of the neanderthal rock heads…
I see you are unable to come up with any sort of substantive response, so naturally you resort to name calling and shrill hysteria.
In case you haven’t noticed, we’ve been executing so called terrorists in Iraq for going on 4 years now and all it’s done is incite a civil war. The whole concept of executions in iraq is ignorant and pre-supposes there is a small class of trouble makers we could capture and line up for shooting. You are so out of touch it is pathetic.
DB is the example of the neanderthal rock heads I mentioned in the next post (Japan)
Nice crop.
I an do the mirror dance too, you know.
I see you are unable to come up with any sort of substantive response, so naturally you resort to name calling and shrill hysteria.
Since you’re unable to express your knowledge of Torture 101 and psychological conditioning, naturally you resort to the weakest argument. A simple statement that you are an example of the guys I mentioned in the next to next post of Bookworm, chronologically. Neanderthals are too kind a word to describe the reactionists that favored killing as a convenient tool to laziness. The Neanderthals after all, took care of their crippled. Their compassion dictated their extinction.
In case you haven’t noticed, we’ve been executing so called terrorists in Iraq for going on 4 years now and all it’s done is incite a civil war.
You don’t know what executing terroists is. Including civilian executions. Bookworm knows of my positions on execution terroists as well as civilians. You lack this knowledge, curiously. What’s pathetic is that Brit actually has a smarmier tone of voice when he writes than you do. I expected a higher velocity octane out of you.
. I’ll leave you guys to figure out what specifically in that article is wrong. I’ll leave the article chopping for others more inclined to it.
What a man! I just grabbed several of the literally hundreds of articles out there. Goggle yourself if you don’t like the samples i posted.
And if you are so deep in denial that you don’t think we were torturing Iraqis as a matter of policy, there is nothing I can do for you except suggest you enroll in AA or some other organization that deals with people deeply burried in denial.
Neanderthals are too kind a word to describe the reactionists that favored killing as a convenient tool to laziness. The Neanderthals after all, took care of their crippled. Their compassion dictated their extinction.
Oh my, I am so intimidated by the retard calling me names.
I suggest you get over to Iraq pronto and show them your brilliant technique and save the entire enterprize before it’s too late. Public executions will save everything. Whatever turns you on!
Here’s my last post. I’ll just let the troops tell you why the idea that there is a criminal calss you could round up for executions is patently ridiculous:
The battalion of more than 750 people arrived in Baghdad from Kuwait in March, and since then, six soldiers have been killed and 21 wounded.
“It sucks. Honestly, it just feels like we’re driving around waiting to get blown up. That’s the most honest answer I could give you,” said Spec. Tim Ivey, 28, of San Antonio, a muscular former backup fullback for Baylor University. “You lose a couple friends and it gets hard.”
“No one wants to be here, you know, no one is truly enthused about what we do,” said Sgt. Christopher Dugger, the squad leader. “We were excited, but then it just wears on you — there’s only so much you can take. Like me, personally, I want to fight in a war like World War II. I want to fight an enemy. And this, out here,” he said, motioning around the scorched sand-and-gravel base, the rows of Humvees and barracks, toward the trash-strewn streets of Baghdad outside, “there is no enemy, it’s a faceless enemy. He’s out there, but he’s hiding.”
“We’re trained as an Army to fight and destroy the enemy and then take over,” added Dugger, 26, of Reno, Nev. “But I don’t think we’re trained enough to push along a country, and that’s what we’re actually doing out here.”
“It’s frustrating, but we are definitely a help to these people,” he said. “I’m out here with the guys that I know so well, and I couldn’t picture myself being anywhere else.”
‘Never-Ending Battle’
After a five-hour patrol on Saturday through southern Baghdad neighborhoods, soldiers from the 1st Platoon sat on wooden benches in an enclosed porch outside their barracks. Faces flushed and dirty from the grit and a beating sun, they smoked cigarettes and tossed them at a rusted can that said “Butts.”
The commanders in Baghdad and the Pentagon are “looking at the big picture all the time, but for us, we don’t see no big picture, it’s just always another bomb out here,” said Spec. Joshua Steffey, 24, of Asheville, N.C. The company’s commanding officer, Capt. Douglas A. DiCenzo of Plymouth, N.H., and his gunner, Spec. Robert E. Blair of Ocala, Fla., were killed by a roadside bomb in May.
Steffey said he wished “somebody would explain to us, ‘Hey, this is what we’re working for.’ ” With a stream of expletives, he said he could not care less “if Iraq’s free” or “if they’re a democracy.”
“The first time somebody you know dies, the first thing you ask yourself is, ‘Well, what did he die for?’ ”
“At this point, it seems like the war on drugs in America,” added Spec. David Fulcher, 22, a medic from Lynchburg, Va., who sat alongside Steffey. “It’s like this never-ending battle, like, we find one IED, if we do find it before it hits us, so what? You know it’s just like if the cops make a big bust, next week the next higher-up puts more back out there.”
“My personal opinion, I don’t speak for the rest of anybody, I just speak for me personally, I think civil war is going to happen regardless,” Steffey responded. “Maybe this country needs it: One side has to win. Be it Sunni, be it Shiite, one side has to win. It’s apparent, these people have made it obvious they can’t live in unity.”
It was dark now save for one fluorescent light and the cigarette tips glowing red.
“I mean, if you compare the casualty count from this war to, say, World War II, you know obviously it doesn’t even compare,” Fulcher said. “But World War II, the big picture was clear — you know you’re fighting because somebody was trying to take over the world, basically. This is like, what did we invade here for?”
“How did it become, ‘Well, now we have to rebuild this place from the ground up’?” Fulcher asked.
He kept talking. “They say we’re here and we’ve given them freedom, but really what is that? You know, what is freedom? You’ve got kids here who can’t go to school. You’ve got people here who don’t have jobs anymore. You’ve got people here who don’t have power,” he said. “You know, so yeah, they’ve got freedom now, but when they didn’t have freedom, everybody had a job.”
Steffey got up to leave the porch and go to bed.
“You know, the point is we’ve lost too many Americans here already, we’re committed now. So whatever the [expletive] end-state is, whatever it is, we need to achieve it — that way they didn’t die for nothing,” he said. “We’re far too deep in this now.”
I guess if you cut it short, my point can be summed up in a single line.
Db doesn’t know how people can be executed or tortured, therefore he comes to the wrong conclusions when attempting to discern from media sources what happened.
There’s the thesis, but the justification sentences are rather too numerous to count.
Suffice it to say that Israel and America are using only perhaps 5% of their overall genkai. For America, it’s somewhere around 5% to 15%. For Israel’s it’s a bit higher, 10% to 20%.
For those who are curious, here’s a scenario that I believe utilizes close to 50%-100% of America’s capabilities (ideal). I’ll try and do a good job writing it as if it was just dry news accounts, since I’ve never actually done a complete scenario work up even though I’ve described specific actions and methods here and there.
January 1, 2003 9:35 A.M
UNITED NATIONS RAIDED BY AMERICAN FBI AND MILITARY UNITS
Just a month before Secretary of State Colin Powell was scheduled to make an appearance at the UN to give the Bush Administration’s WMD concerns about Iraq, American military and FBI units stormed the UN building in a mid-night raid. Anonymous sources inside the Bush Administration have said that CIA intelligence lead us to believe that Iraq was conducting espionage operations using their UN seat at New York. Hundreds of foreign nations have raised objections on air that this is a violation of international diplomatic protocols, they have demanded that they be allowed to communicate with their ambassadors, who at last report are all under American house arrest. The government claims that this is for the protection of the United Nations diplomats, and have said that the guilty parties will be found and the innocent set free.
We know that they have definitely searched the offices of the Iraqi UN representative, as well as Kofi Annan the Secretary General and his appointed officials. We are expecting a press announcement from the White House at 10 a.m. Stay tuned for further details as we bring the news live to you.
January 2, 2003
NATIONS HELD HOSTAGE
Tensions have risen as the international community solidified against the illegal and undiplomatic usurpations of authority by the Bush Administration and the American government. Congress has convened for emergency sessions and have demanded that President Bush explain himself, President Bush has so far refused to reply to Congressional oversight.
The White House press release yesterday alleged that foreign governments had been conducting illegal and harmful to the national security, espionage operations against the continental United States of America. France’s President has said that “American cowboys, they are too dangerous to world peace”. Germany’s Prime Minister, Schroeder, says that he stands with France and Europe, against the folly of Prime Minister Blair and Bush.
January 5, 2003
UNITED NATIONS DISMANTLED
As Democrat Congressional efforts to initiate impeachment proceedings against an uncooperative Bush Administration procede, the White House has released this statement via internet video blogging technology rather than through the White House press corps. The hits on the link appear to be approaching a million just 2 hours after it had been released to instapundit and moveon.org via White House telephone call and email.
“President Bush wishes to assure the American people that their interests, not the interests of our enemies, are being served and protected by his Presidency. We have held information back from the American people since the beginning of our raid into the office space of foreign enemies in the United Nations. Let us state unequivocally, that diplomatic immunity is not for the benefit of those who would plan the killing and torture of innocent people. We will now tell the American people what this was all for, and why we did it. Recent classified intelligence from the CIA, have informed us of a conspiracy in the United States, lead by Saddam Hussein, to ambush and destroy entire United States Army divisions in Kuwaitt. The military is loyal to the Constitution and the President, and by God the President will stand by the military and make sure it is not destroyed at the whims of a tyrant.
In summary, we had planned to go the diplomatic route of persuasion, in order to convince our allies to draft a Resolution that would hold Iraq accountable so that thousands of American lives would not have to be sent into Iraq to destroy and be destroyed. The documents and information we have obtained from the United Nations building, is proof positive of a conspiracy. A conspiracy created by the Oil For Food program that Saddam had subverted, and is even now bribing and corrupting UN officials as well as high ranking representatives of the French, Russian, and Chinese governments. If we had not conducted the raid into the United Nations building, we would have been in stalemate over drafting a Resolution for countless months. Months that Saddam would use to ambush our soldiers, kidnap them, hold them for ransom, as well as to torture to his satisfaction. President Bush has given explicit orders that he will not allow a repeat of the treatment of American POWs during Gulf War 1 to be repeated.
As of this moment, President Bush has signed executive orders to release all diplomats, officials, and representatives of the UN and its founding nations. He has also signed an executive order for the ambassador to the United Nations to be recalled, and henceforth that all military units under the command of the President of the United States of America, will treat UN bureacrats as enemies of the state. Starting 5 days from now. The UN has 5 days to evacuate their property, before the property will return to the hold of the city of New York. President Bush urges his fellow allies and enemies alike, to comprehend that he will not allow foreign sabotage of American interests on American soil.
President Bush apologies to the world community at large, for acting to preserve American sovereignty without consulting with their respective representatives. President Bush offers as an olive branch, copies of classifid information and the recent data procured from the UN building, in order that those foreign governments can better purge themselves of the saboteurs in the pay of Saddam Hussein. President Bush offers Jacques Chirac his condolences, for the personal betrayal of Saddam Hussein, who he knows was a personal friend of PM Chirac.
The representative(s) from Saddam Hussein, will be tried and executed in a military tribunal, for sabotage originating from a nation at war with the United States.
May God Bless America, and see us through these trying times”
January 10, 2003 11:30 pm
OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM
In 30 minutes, the 5 hour ultimatum for Saddam Hussein to disarm and leave the country of Iraq, will expire. An American force of 85,000 troops stand at the ready to invade Iraq from Kuwaitt, should Saddam Hussein fail to comply with the terms of President Bush’s ultimatum.
March 15, 2003 7:49 P.M.
IRAQI QUAGMIRE
Two months after President Bush’s ultimatum, and American forces still have not advanced past Kirkuk and Basrah. Constant daily footage from Iraqi public relations have created doubt that America has the ability to invade Iraq. Democrat critics of the Bush Administration, heavily complain that Bush is outsourcing the invasion of Iraq to local tribes. They warn that Saddam Hussein will escape just like Osama Bin Laden, if Bush continues to outsource the security interests of the United States.
The 101st Airborne Division air dropped into Kurdish controlled areas, have reported success galvanating local support into a combined military push past the city of Kirkuk, into Mosul. They have said that local training of Kurdish peshmerga guerrila fighters have proceded according to schedule.
The 1st ID and the 1st Marine Division have reported success at taking and holding a foothold in Southern Basrah. No bombs have been reported being dropped on Baghdad, our correspondents at the Palestine Hotel are reporting no significant United States attacks.
May 15, 2003
AMERICAN REINFORCEMENTS FIGHTING IRAQI REINFORCEMENTS
President Bush has ordered another 20,000 troops be deployed to Iraq, in light of the lack of progress in the war front. In addition to the 185,000 troops already there, this will make the troop contingent of the United States up to 205,000. At least 100,000 additional troops have already been called for and deployed to Iraq, in order to reinforce two deadlocked fronts.
Saddam Hussein is reported to be in hiding, possibly near his home town of Tikrit. His Republican Guards and fedayeen constantly attack United States occupied towns. Hundreds of civilian casualties have occured, the United States ability to maintain mass casualty triage centers are being overloaded. They were never designed to handle the number of casualties being suffered daily. Current US fatalities are at 59.
July 7th, 2003
Pentagon press releases now claim that Syria and Iran are sending foreign fighters to aid the government of Saddam Hussein. The capital of Iraq, Baghdad, is being pincered by the Kurdish guerrilas backed by the 101st Airborne Division in the North, and in the south by the 1st ID and 1st Marine Divison. President Bush has launched air strikes against Syrian military bunkers and Iranian airfields in retaliation.
Saddam Hussein now only controls a territory about the size of a triangle.
The Pentagon has released a deck of cards holding 52 highly wanted Baath party members and Saddam Hussein loyalists. All American soldiers have been encouraged to seek these HVTs out and capture them, using whatever means are necessary.
July 15, 2003
American forces, with Shia militias and Kurdish militias, paraded through the streets of Baghdad today as happy Iraqis threw followers and welcomed the liberating army with cheers and cries of joy. Hundreds of Iraqis formed a line, in order to smash a statue of saddam with a sledgehammer, each taking their turns.
July 25, 2003
Martial law has been established in Baghdad. All other provinces are under local control, secured by Kurdish and Shia militia leaders. It is unclear to what extent the US Army is allowing local leaders to make policy decisions concerning occupied towns and provinces.
Looting and rioting have been dealt with in Baghdad. Hundreds are in jail, several have been shot dead.
September 29, 2003
Representatives from all the provinces of Iraq were invited and escorted to Baghdad. The square where the statue of Saddam was pulled down. Standing by a blazing bonfire in the middle of the night was President George W. Bush. The meeting was secret, and not televized. Footage was taken by Army reporters, and provided to instapundit and democraticunderground.
In President Bush’s hands was a deck of cards holding the faces and biographical data of 52 Baathist leaders and Saddam loyalists. Bush asked every provincial leader to pull one card out. When that card was pulled out, and the face revealed in the firelight, the man or woman was brought in front of President Bush and executed by firing squad. The card went into the fire afterwards.
Some President Bush spared with a wave of his hands, citing security interest and lack of enough interrogation time. In the end, there was one card missing from President Bush’s gift to the Iraqi leaders. It was Saddam Hussein. President Bush attempted to persuade the Iraqi leaders that for Saddam, death was too easy. Bush said that he had given the blood debt here and now, Iraq must now be built upon justice and law, not executions and destruction. President Bush appealed to the Iraqi leaders for a just and fair trial of Saddam Hussein.
With that, the video ended.
January, 2004
Fallujah has now been evacuated of all civilians. Mandatory orders of evacuation were given. The entire government of Fallujah had been found executed in masse on the bridge near Fallujah, along with the bodies of 4 American security contractors several months ago.
Several FAE munitions were dropped on the city of Fallujah, incinerating and annihilating all foreign jihadist and local insurgents within the city. THe city was completely leveled, as if a nuclear bomb had been used.
The Iraqi prime minister congratulated President Bush on winning his second term with his recent visit to the White House.
May, 2005
Iran threatened to use oil as a weapon, if the United States prevented their enriching of uranium. President Bush ordered a full naval and air blockade of Iran. At the same time, President Bush signed an executive order annexing a few border towns on the Syrian side of the Syrian-Iraq border, and giving it to the commanders of the Kurdish peshmerga fighters and Basrah militia leaders. President Bush had ordered the military invasion of Syria in 2004, in retaliation for Syrian complicity in the deaths of American servicemembers. Syria lost several border towns, but was able to sue for peace by giving over all foreign and Baathist fighters they knew of. This was 10 days after President Bush publicized his decision to invade.
I think the date January, 2004 should actually be January 2005. Since I remember that Bush only launched the Fallujah offensive after he won the election. A complete evacuation would take two months extra, just to be on the safe side.
Like I said, I can play the mirror game as well. I posted the two above, before reading DB’s latest 3.
Title:
IRAQI FORCES DIVERT MISSION TO AID CITIZEN IN DISTRESS
Release Date:
7/27/2006
Release Number:
06-07-02PM
Description:
BALAD – During a pre-dawn raid in Baghdad on July 26 to capture a ‘death squad’ member, Iraqi forces diverted their mission to free an Iraqi citizen who was abducted and being beaten by two unknown assailants.
As the Iraqi forces moved toward their original objective in the Abu Ghurayb area of Baghdad, they discovered an Iraqi citizen who was bound and being beaten by two men while he lay on the ground.
The Iraqi assault force surprised the kidnappers and an exchange of gunfire ensued. During the gun fight, one of the kidnappers and the hostage were wounded while the second kidnapper fled the scene. Both were treated on the scene by a U.S. Army Special Forces medic who was with the Iraqi forces in an advisory capacity.
The hostage and the kidnapper were evacuated immediately to a nearby U.S. military medical facility for emergency treatment. Both are expected to recover.
The hostage was abducted at approximately 10 p.m. on July 25 as he returned home from work.
No Iraqi or coalition forces were injured during this operation.
FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS RELEASE, CONTACT THE MULTI-NATIONAL CORPS – IRAQ PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER.
You bet there’s people we can kill and be praised by Iraqis for it. All it takes is a brain and a will.
Two comments. If your incompetent leader had listened to the military brass and gone in with 300k troops, there might have been a chance at success. There was never a chance the way they did it, as your own fantasy script acknowledges.
Second, you obviously have no regard for the principles and institutions upon which the USA was founded and have a desperate need to live under an authroitarian dictator who wields supreme power more oppressively than any nation on earth save North Korea and Communist China.
Lots of us will fight to the death before we ever let the USA come to that.
In any event, I suggest you stop indulging in your childish fantasies and read some history. Maybe you will come to undserstand what the USA is really all about and why it used to be so highly regard in the world and was a beacon of hope for so many. Because if one thing is clear, you have no clue what America stands for. Not even the slightest hint of a clue (see US constitution for a start).
You bet there’s people we can kill and be praised by Iraqis for it. All it takes is a brain and a will.
That’s military propaganda you fool. You think it’s news! How funny. They put it out there precisely because they know idiots like you will lap it up. It didn’t make the real news.
http://www.sagehistory.net/civilwar/docs/ShermanAtl.htm
Dieing will be the only thing people with your level of knowledge will be doing, that is for sure. The above holds all the principles and traditions an American needs in war time.
I’ll quit with the mirror dance and pick some other trick out of the grab bag.
I’ve read more history than you, db, could fit in your thumb memory drive. If you tried debating me point for point, instead of attempting to snipe from beyond critical strike range, you’d get decimated.
You can’t even describe what the heck you’re thinking concerning the Constitution. You think you can achieve victory with your current measly skills at argumentation? You need more work.
They put it out there precisely because they know idiots like you will lap it up.
Actually, Bookworm read it since I got it her from, so technically it would be she that is the idiot, not me.
Kono tai doka…
You actually believe your little disinformation about what the “troops say”?
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htintel/articles/20060727.aspx
Spies need to be paranoid. DB is not paranoid, DB is just unable to discern reality from fiction.
http://ymarsakar.blogspot.com/2006/07/public-executions-why-do-it.html
I know Bookworm’s reading this, mostly because she seems to hover over her blog stats like a parent ; )
So if you go to that link, I have Roach (who I outread and played a little trick on earlier) making my case for me, using a logical format of reasons.
Roach was commenting at blackfive’s post about “Are we too nice to do war”. The question of public executions or no public executions, is very pertinent to that subject.
Roach has some good reasoning, that you should read, Bookworm. I am, of course, shamelessly promoting my argumentive position by calling in allies, whether those allies know about it or not.