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		<title>By: jhgjhg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 07:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Webloggin - Blog Archive &#187; Teaching immigrants to love America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webloggin - Blog Archive &#187; Teaching immigrants to love America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Teaching immigrants to love America By Bookworm at Bookworm RoomMarch 31, 2006 at 10:21 am in Feature Article, Culture Watch, Immigration Watch In a rather stumbling way, I asked why immigrants don&#8217;t love America, and said that I wished our schools would be required to teach students what&#8217;s great about America. Ironically, one day later, the Wall Street Journal published Peggy Noonan&#8217;s elegant, lyrical reflection on the same point. She begins by speaking of Medal of Freedom winners, those extraordinary men (and one woman, I think), who without thought were willing to sacrifice themselves to preserve American freedoms. From there, she transitions to the conundrum of modern American immigrants, who want what we offer but hate what we are: There are a variety of things driving American anxiety about illegal immigration and we all know them–economic arguments, the danger of porous borders in the age of terrorism, with anyone able to come in. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Teaching immigrants to love America By Bookworm at Bookworm RoomMarch 31, 2006 at 10:21 am in Feature Article, Culture Watch, Immigration Watch In a rather stumbling way, I asked why immigrants don&#8217;t love America, and said that I wished our schools would be required to teach students what&#8217;s great about America. Ironically, one day later, the Wall Street Journal published Peggy Noonan&#8217;s elegant, lyrical reflection on the same point. She begins by speaking of Medal of Freedom winners, those extraordinary men (and one woman, I think), who without thought were willing to sacrifice themselves to preserve American freedoms. From there, she transitions to the conundrum of modern American immigrants, who want what we offer but hate what we are: There are a variety of things driving American anxiety about illegal immigration and we all know them–economic arguments, the danger of porous borders in the age of terrorism, with anyone able to come in. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jg</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/why-dont-they-love-america/#comment-274</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher G. Adamo, writing at The American Thinker,  has a succinct grasp of the whole picture (and even brings our Iraqi actions as an comparison):

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Despite constant assertions from the White House and some in Congress, a common “desire for freedom and prosperity” is no unifying force that might automatically generate good Americans out of the invaders. And while many immigrants have historically aspired to the highest American ideals, those who trample its laws to seize its fruits, by definition, do not.

Nor should they be expected to yearn for assimilation into a culture that is increasingly treated with contempt by America’s own academic elites, is only selectively invoked as a tool by manipulative politicians, and is ultimately dismissed as a matter of complete irrelevance by economic pragmatists, and now the President. 
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..businesses profiting by paying substandard wages are perfectly willing to increase their margins while letting taxpayers make up the difference in benefits and services. So, the present situation (endorsed by Bush) will result in ever-escalating numbers with growing political clout, but no intention or incentive to ever assimilate into America’s vanishing “melting pot.”
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher G. Adamo, writing at The American Thinker,  has a succinct grasp of the whole picture (and even brings our Iraqi actions as an comparison):</p>
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Despite constant assertions from the White House and some in Congress, a common “desire for freedom and prosperity” is no unifying force that might automatically generate good Americans out of the invaders. And while many immigrants have historically aspired to the highest American ideals, those who trample its laws to seize its fruits, by definition, do not.</p>
<p>Nor should they be expected to yearn for assimilation into a culture that is increasingly treated with contempt by America’s own academic elites, is only selectively invoked as a tool by manipulative politicians, and is ultimately dismissed as a matter of complete irrelevance by economic pragmatists, and now the President.<br />
..snip..</p>
<p>..businesses profiting by paying substandard wages are perfectly willing to increase their margins while letting taxpayers make up the difference in benefits and services. So, the present situation (endorsed by Bush) will result in ever-escalating numbers with growing political clout, but no intention or incentive to ever assimilate into America’s vanishing “melting pot.”<br />
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/why-dont-they-love-america/#comment-266</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is what the police is expected to do, yes, but there are ways around that. I like to be prepared, and judging from is happening in Europe with the French riots, the gang rapings, and the Cartoon wars, I would most likely expect the police not to be able to guarantee safety. My way of viewing it is, plan for the worst, expect the best. That way it&#039;s all good.

The &quot;freedom of speech&quot; partisans might not understand that what guarantees the right to free speech isn&#039;t the 1st Ammendment, rather it is the 2nd. But I do.

Because the War in Iraq actually reaches here in the US, I don&#039;t think it is surprising personally. It is sub-optimal that the police can&#039;t protect people so they cover their arse and get them away. But, I tend to think that they just need more firepower. And if the police won&#039;t bring the firepower, you&#039;re going to have to come prepared yourself. I&#039;m not talking about guns, I&#039;m talking about a prepared mentality for violence.

These police aren&#039;t used to intimidation tactics, so I wouldn&#039;t depend upon them. The National Guard, having served in Iraq, are quite familiar with &quot;check points&quot; and &quot;hostage taking&quot; and any number of hardcore criminal techniques. The organizer for these Mexican protests, said that the NG was only good for national disasters and that they would foul up the border. But I tend to think somebody&#039;s anti-military bias is showing here.

The NG would provide security, as they do in Iraq against a far more lethal foe. But. The reason why intimidation tactics are so effective, is because you can hide the use of it for a very very long time.

I don&#039;t know what the exact specific problem about the conservative reporter is about so I can&#039;t comment on the solution, but I recommend to anyone who joins these protests to assume that the police ain&#039;t going to be too effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is what the police is expected to do, yes, but there are ways around that. I like to be prepared, and judging from is happening in Europe with the French riots, the gang rapings, and the Cartoon wars, I would most likely expect the police not to be able to guarantee safety. My way of viewing it is, plan for the worst, expect the best. That way it&#8217;s all good.</p>
<p>The &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; partisans might not understand that what guarantees the right to free speech isn&#8217;t the 1st Ammendment, rather it is the 2nd. But I do.</p>
<p>Because the War in Iraq actually reaches here in the US, I don&#8217;t think it is surprising personally. It is sub-optimal that the police can&#8217;t protect people so they cover their arse and get them away. But, I tend to think that they just need more firepower. And if the police won&#8217;t bring the firepower, you&#8217;re going to have to come prepared yourself. I&#8217;m not talking about guns, I&#8217;m talking about a prepared mentality for violence.</p>
<p>These police aren&#8217;t used to intimidation tactics, so I wouldn&#8217;t depend upon them. The National Guard, having served in Iraq, are quite familiar with &#8220;check points&#8221; and &#8220;hostage taking&#8221; and any number of hardcore criminal techniques. The organizer for these Mexican protests, said that the NG was only good for national disasters and that they would foul up the border. But I tend to think somebody&#8217;s anti-military bias is showing here.</p>
<p>The NG would provide security, as they do in Iraq against a far more lethal foe. But. The reason why intimidation tactics are so effective, is because you can hide the use of it for a very very long time.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the exact specific problem about the conservative reporter is about so I can&#8217;t comment on the solution, but I recommend to anyone who joins these protests to assume that the police ain&#8217;t going to be too effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/why-dont-they-love-america/#comment-263</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Yamarsakar - when the GOP does stuff that it thinks will help it win votes - I guess here with Hispanic voters they do not.  You cannot out Dem the Dems.  The Medicare prescription drug bill, the steel tarriffs, etc. should demonstrate that.

How much credit did Reagan get in the Hispanic &quot;community&quot; for our last mass amnesty?  None.

As for the police and security.  Obviously they cannot guarantee security to 100%, but when the press is operating in an area marked off for the press at a rally that the police have already sent officers too, it is not too much to expect that they can keep those members of the press safe there.  Short of an armed assault by hundreds of protestors I don&#039;t think that&#039;s too much to ask of a major metropolitan police force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Yamarsakar &#8211; when the GOP does stuff that it thinks will help it win votes &#8211; I guess here with Hispanic voters they do not.  You cannot out Dem the Dems.  The Medicare prescription drug bill, the steel tarriffs, etc. should demonstrate that.</p>
<p>How much credit did Reagan get in the Hispanic &#8220;community&#8221; for our last mass amnesty?  None.</p>
<p>As for the police and security.  Obviously they cannot guarantee security to 100%, but when the press is operating in an area marked off for the press at a rally that the police have already sent officers too, it is not too much to expect that they can keep those members of the press safe there.  Short of an armed assault by hundreds of protestors I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s too much to ask of a major metropolitan police force.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/why-dont-they-love-america/#comment-258</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THe police has never guaranteed our safety. Not anyone can become a killing machine, of course, but most thugs are quite incompetent at fighting. Sorta like terroists trying to learn marksmanship.

Terror tactics work, they just do. Intimidation, fear, deterence, all those things work. The primary reason why they work is because they are subtle, and they are subtle because they have demonstrated that they are quite capable of violent unsubtleness if you push them. The trans-Mexican-American gangs are proof of that.

I am forever amused by the Democrats that keep thinking Bush is endangering their civil liberties with the Patriot Act. They need to spend a couple of days deep thinking about what the actual methods would be, rather than worrying about the problem. Figuring out solutions, is much better than getting stuck on stupid problems.

When the President says that immigrants are coming here to do jobs American are unwilling to do, I am quite suspicious. Because Bush almost never explains his beliefs, especially new beliefs. This feels like another &quot;stay the course&quot; rhetoric, that has a hidden story behind it.

When Bush and the Democrats agree, then I know something is wrong. Because what ends up happening is that the President idealistically provides the support, while Democrats provide the bureacracy and the people who actually do the plan in detail. What ends up happening is like No Child Left Behind. A bureacratic nightmare fueling Kennedy&#039;s destructive spree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THe police has never guaranteed our safety. Not anyone can become a killing machine, of course, but most thugs are quite incompetent at fighting. Sorta like terroists trying to learn marksmanship.</p>
<p>Terror tactics work, they just do. Intimidation, fear, deterence, all those things work. The primary reason why they work is because they are subtle, and they are subtle because they have demonstrated that they are quite capable of violent unsubtleness if you push them. The trans-Mexican-American gangs are proof of that.</p>
<p>I am forever amused by the Democrats that keep thinking Bush is endangering their civil liberties with the Patriot Act. They need to spend a couple of days deep thinking about what the actual methods would be, rather than worrying about the problem. Figuring out solutions, is much better than getting stuck on stupid problems.</p>
<p>When the President says that immigrants are coming here to do jobs American are unwilling to do, I am quite suspicious. Because Bush almost never explains his beliefs, especially new beliefs. This feels like another &#8220;stay the course&#8221; rhetoric, that has a hidden story behind it.</p>
<p>When Bush and the Democrats agree, then I know something is wrong. Because what ends up happening is that the President idealistically provides the support, while Democrats provide the bureacracy and the people who actually do the plan in detail. What ends up happening is like No Child Left Behind. A bureacratic nightmare fueling Kennedy&#8217;s destructive spree.</p>
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		<title>By: jg</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Bookworm.  We needed this essay.</description>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/why-dont-they-love-america/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BW,

I know you caught a little grief the other day posting a link to an NPR story, but I heard yet another one this a.m. by Steven Camorata of the Center for Immigration Studies talking about what a bad deal it is for Americans and the lie that &quot;they do jobs that Americans won&#039;t do.&quot;

So, I&#039;m attaching this link.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5311282

I think it says something when even NPR is willing to have stories like this.

In local news we had our own immigration &quot;rights&quot; march here in town yesterday.  Saw plenty of people walking downtown with Mexican flags and even a few gang bangers driving nicer cars than mine wearing &quot;wife beaters.&quot;  I&#039;m sure those gentlemen are deeply concerned about the plight of other immigrants.

Interestingly, a local reporter for the conservative talk radio show was told he had to leave by the police.  He was in the media section, but the police told him that as a caucasian (and I guess as a conservative) they could not guarantee his safety - actually that it was unsafe for him to be there, and that he had to leave.  Guess they missed that refresher course on the 1st Amendment, but what the heck is our country coming to when we have irrendentist &quot;no go&quot; areas, and we complain about Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BW,</p>
<p>I know you caught a little grief the other day posting a link to an NPR story, but I heard yet another one this a.m. by Steven Camorata of the Center for Immigration Studies talking about what a bad deal it is for Americans and the lie that &#8220;they do jobs that Americans won&#8217;t do.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m attaching this link.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5311282" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5311282</a></p>
<p>I think it says something when even NPR is willing to have stories like this.</p>
<p>In local news we had our own immigration &#8220;rights&#8221; march here in town yesterday.  Saw plenty of people walking downtown with Mexican flags and even a few gang bangers driving nicer cars than mine wearing &#8220;wife beaters.&#8221;  I&#8217;m sure those gentlemen are deeply concerned about the plight of other immigrants.</p>
<p>Interestingly, a local reporter for the conservative talk radio show was told he had to leave by the police.  He was in the media section, but the police told him that as a caucasian (and I guess as a conservative) they could not guarantee his safety &#8211; actually that it was unsafe for him to be there, and that he had to leave.  Guess they missed that refresher course on the 1st Amendment, but what the heck is our country coming to when we have irrendentist &#8220;no go&#8221; areas, and we complain about Iraq?</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/why-dont-they-love-america/#comment-255</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So long as multiculturalism doesn&#039;t open the gates to the barbarians as they did in Europe, it can be tolerated if not liked. The moment they step into traitorous territory, then we might have to do something more pro-active.

I don&#039;t know what they would actually teach in this civics course. Because the most effective manner in which I learned about America, was military history, not Constitutional history. Reading the Constitution itself is a bit misleading, because most humans want to protect their families and feed them. The Constitution actually doesn&#039;t tell you how that is going to happen, it just says the government shall so and so only.

Multiculturalism is powerful because their &quot;let&#039;s give everyone pre-paid universal healthcare&quot; takes care of their family and appeals to human selfishness. You can see the benefits to family and friends immediately. Reading the Constitution, it is not apparent how people get fed in this country. And that&#039;s a liability, that can be cured through an education on military values of loyalty and what not. There are a lot of Hispanics in the military, and I tend to think that is because the military set of values appeals to the human soul in a way that purely civilian ones do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So long as multiculturalism doesn&#8217;t open the gates to the barbarians as they did in Europe, it can be tolerated if not liked. The moment they step into traitorous territory, then we might have to do something more pro-active.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what they would actually teach in this civics course. Because the most effective manner in which I learned about America, was military history, not Constitutional history. Reading the Constitution itself is a bit misleading, because most humans want to protect their families and feed them. The Constitution actually doesn&#8217;t tell you how that is going to happen, it just says the government shall so and so only.</p>
<p>Multiculturalism is powerful because their &#8220;let&#8217;s give everyone pre-paid universal healthcare&#8221; takes care of their family and appeals to human selfishness. You can see the benefits to family and friends immediately. Reading the Constitution, it is not apparent how people get fed in this country. And that&#8217;s a liability, that can be cured through an education on military values of loyalty and what not. There are a lot of Hispanics in the military, and I tend to think that is because the military set of values appeals to the human soul in a way that purely civilian ones do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, such interesting comments.  One interested my especially (in part because the person who leaves it always leaves interesting, broad-minded comments).

Steve, while I understand your point about offering humantarian aid to people -- and your feeling of repugnance that the government would legislate against the good Samaritan, I also think that the laws either operate or they don&#039;t.  Our country functions only because people follow the laws.  If they don&#039;t like them, they&#039;re supposed to change them at the ballot box (either directly, through initiatives, or indirectly, by electing politicians who agree with their points of view).  Backhanding the laws by extending all sorts of benefits to illegal aliens is, at a scofflaw level, precisely the same as running a red light or robbing a store.  Incidentally, I&#039;m pretty darn sure that these laws don&#039;t extend to the person who finds a dying man abandoned in the desert, but are really meant to cover formalized programs that operate as covert clearinghouses for massive numbers of illegal aliens.

I also believe that immigration reform has to start with showing that we&#039;re serious about our immigration laws, whatever they are.  I&#039;m not saying that our laws shouldn&#039;t change.  As the child of immigrants, I&#039;m all for immigration, and I believe as a general principle that America&#039;s strength derives, in significant part, from the constant influx of new blood into the country.  However, it&#039;s pointless to change them if we&#039;ve already established a principle that immigration laws shouldn&#039;t be obeyed in any event, as long as some people disagree with them.

Aside from my lawyerly dismay at a situation where &quot;scofflaw-dom&quot; is celebrated as a virtue, which to me threatens to destroy America&#039;s underpinnings entirely, I am profoundly troubled, as I noted in my post, by the crazy multiculturalism that has people make desperate efforts to escape their homes and come to America, only to buy into a paradigm that America is evil and should be made to look and feel like their erstwhile homes.  To me, that&#039;s illogical thinking and the product of warped ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, such interesting comments.  One interested my especially (in part because the person who leaves it always leaves interesting, broad-minded comments).</p>
<p>Steve, while I understand your point about offering humantarian aid to people &#8212; and your feeling of repugnance that the government would legislate against the good Samaritan, I also think that the laws either operate or they don&#8217;t.  Our country functions only because people follow the laws.  If they don&#8217;t like them, they&#8217;re supposed to change them at the ballot box (either directly, through initiatives, or indirectly, by electing politicians who agree with their points of view).  Backhanding the laws by extending all sorts of benefits to illegal aliens is, at a scofflaw level, precisely the same as running a red light or robbing a store.  Incidentally, I&#8217;m pretty darn sure that these laws don&#8217;t extend to the person who finds a dying man abandoned in the desert, but are really meant to cover formalized programs that operate as covert clearinghouses for massive numbers of illegal aliens.</p>
<p>I also believe that immigration reform has to start with showing that we&#8217;re serious about our immigration laws, whatever they are.  I&#8217;m not saying that our laws shouldn&#8217;t change.  As the child of immigrants, I&#8217;m all for immigration, and I believe as a general principle that America&#8217;s strength derives, in significant part, from the constant influx of new blood into the country.  However, it&#8217;s pointless to change them if we&#8217;ve already established a principle that immigration laws shouldn&#8217;t be obeyed in any event, as long as some people disagree with them.</p>
<p>Aside from my lawyerly dismay at a situation where &#8220;scofflaw-dom&#8221; is celebrated as a virtue, which to me threatens to destroy America&#8217;s underpinnings entirely, I am profoundly troubled, as I noted in my post, by the crazy multiculturalism that has people make desperate efforts to escape their homes and come to America, only to buy into a paradigm that America is evil and should be made to look and feel like their erstwhile homes.  To me, that&#8217;s illogical thinking and the product of warped ideology.</p>
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